What should happen in goal?

[Pimlach]

17 hours ago, DarthEbriate said:

Hear me out...

UFA  32 years old, 6'3". Experienced. .926 sv % last year in the NHL.

Louis Domingue. Sign him on July 1st to a 1-year $1.5M contract.

Get through camp and start the season with Luukkonen, Domingue, and Levi on the roster.

Then, waive Domingue.

Boom.

Playoffs, here we come.

So this looks like start with UPL and switch to Levi?  Domingue = Reimer.

pass

[Mr. Allen]

3 hours ago, steveoath said:

Would swap Byram for Ottenger in a heartbeat. 

So let’s just say Dallas would be open to trading Ottenger.  What would it take to get him?  Byram and UPL with money retention even enough?  Throw in a prospect or couple picks? 

[JohnC]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Allen said:

So let’s just say Dallas would be open to trading Ottenger.  What would it take to get him?  Byram and UPL with money retention even enough?  Throw in a prospect or couple picks? 

The goalie has a strong no trade clause. There are some conditions to it but no goalie who has been involved with a normal functioning franchise is going to come to this shambolic franchise.

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[Mr. Allen]

Looks like the NMC doesn’t kick in until next year. 

[thewookie1]

42 minutes ago, Mr. Allen said:

So let’s just say Dallas would be open to trading Ottenger.  What would it take to get him?  Byram and UPL with money retention even enough?  Throw in a prospect or couple picks? 

Well Oettinger makes 8.25mil for the next 8 years so that would be a tad rough for a couple years

[Archie Lee]

18 hours ago, DarthEbriate said:

Hear me out...

UFA  32 years old, 6'3". Experienced. .926 sv % last year in the NHL.

Louis Domingue. Sign him on July 1st to a 1-year $1.5M contract.

Get through camp and start the season with Luukkonen, Domingue, and Levi on the roster.

Then, waive Domingue.

Boom.

Playoffs, here we come.

On Domingue, I'm not sure if you were being serious, but his .926 last season was for only one game played in the NHL.  

[Archie Lee]

47 minutes ago, Mr. Allen said:

So let’s just say Dallas would be open to trading Ottenger.  What would it take to get him?  Byram and UPL with money retention even enough?  Throw in a prospect or couple picks? 

Oettinger has no trade protection for another year.  I think we would need to take back Dumba or Lyubushkin. 

In the end, I don't think DeBoer was saying anything that isn't obviously true.  Stuart Skinner outplayed Jake Oettinger two years in a row. I don't think that means anything for the long-term. If there is some kind or irreparable rift, then coaches (even really good coaches) are far more replaceable than elite goalies.  A GM like Jim Nill won't have any trouble identifying the best young coach; and if that coach doesn't work out they will fire him and move on, quickly. What Jim Nill won't do is bring back Ken Hitchcock after an "exhaustive head coaching search".  Yes, I just used a thread about our goaltending and a side discussion about Dallas/DeBoer/Oettinger, to again take a shot at Kevyn Adams. 

[French Collection]

Just now, Mr. Allen said:

So let’s just say Dallas would be open to trading Ottenger.  What would it take to get him?  Byram and UPL with money retention even enough?  Throw in a prospect or couple picks? 

Nill is a top level GM, it would be tough to pry a good goalie off of him unless he had a solid plan B. I doubt he would hand over the reins to UPL. The cap space gain, goalie wise could allow him to get another decent one though.

Byram has value but Dallas has Heiskanen and Harley as puck moving LHD, not too different from the Sabres scenario.

[Archie Lee]

On the Sabres goaltending, I think Levi needs to be viewed as the "Ace in the Hole".  We don't know yet if Levi is (or will ever be) ready to be an NHL goalie, but there remains potential there. If he starts the season in Rochester, he gives the Sabres a potential 3rd starting goalie option, in the event things go south with the two goalies who start the year in he NHL.

My preference, therefore, is to bring in a veteran who can at least physically withstand playing 40-45 games, to pair with UPL.  Nedeljkovic with the Pens could be a trade target (I'm still on the Bryan Rust train as a vet forward add, so maybe we could pry both away from the Pens for the right combo of young players). Alex Lyon is a UFA.

Demko is the obvious trade target if we wanted to add a starter (though his health might be an issue).  The Canucks have committed long-term to Lankinen and, I think, they like Silvos.

Of course, I think the single thing we could do to improve our defensive results and our goals against, and actually to move us to the playoffs, would be to replace Lindy Ruff with a better head coach. I think we are generally significantly underestimating how Ruff's system/structure  (or lack of system/structure) negatively impacts goaltenders. I honestly don't think any goalie we could realistically bring in, will do well. 

 

Edited yesterday at 01:59 PM by Archie Lee

[Pimlach]

1 hour ago, Archie Lee said:

On Domingue, I'm not sure if you were being serious, but his .926 last season was for only one game played in the NHL.  

I can hear KA now , "but it was a good game". 

[French Collection]

Just now, Pimlach said:

I can hear KA now , "but it was a good game". 

and he said repeatedly how he wanted to be here, as this was his only contract offer.

[Crusader1969]

 If the goal is to make the playoffs next year , then putting together a package for Oettinger that Dallas can't say no to , is the solution 

 

[DarthEbriate]

2 hours ago, Archie Lee said:

On Domingue, I'm not sure if you were being serious, but his .926 last season was for only one game played in the NHL.  

I scoured the stats page for just the right GMKA move.

[PerreaultForever]

2 hours ago, Crusader1969 said:

 If the goal is to make the playoffs next year , then putting together a package for Oettinger that Dallas can't say no to , is the solution 

 

If you could get him out of Dallas imo it's a no brainer and you give them all the picks and prospects it takes to make that happen. Then you run with UPL as the back up and if Levi earns it you later trade UPL but only if. 

[The Jokeman]

On 5/30/2025 at 9:57 AM, Archie Lee said:

On the Sabres goaltending, I think Levi needs to be viewed as the "Ace in the Hole".  We don't know yet if Levi is (or will ever be) ready to be an NHL goalie, but there remains potential there. If he starts the season in Rochester, he gives the Sabres a potential 3rd starting goalie option, in the event things go south with the two goalies who start the year in he NHL.

My preference, therefore, is to bring in a veteran who can at least physically withstand playing 40-45 games, to pair with UPL.  Nedeljkovic with the Pens could be a trade target (I'm still on the Bryan Rust train as a vet forward add, so maybe we could pry both away from the Pens for the right combo of young players). Alex Lyon is a UFA.

Demko is the obvious trade target if we wanted to add a starter (though his health might be an issue).  The Canucks have committed long-term to Lankinen and, I think, they like Silvos.

Of course, I think the single thing we could do to improve our defensive results and our goals against, and actually to move us to the playoffs, would be to replace Lindy Ruff with a better head coach. I think we are generally significantly underestimating how Ruff's system/structure  (or lack of system/structure) negatively impacts goaltenders. I honestly don't think any goalie we could realistically bring in, will do well. 

 

I like this plan and think a guy like Dan Vlader could fit this part.  You might have to throw him starting money (am thinking 4-5 million for three years?) He's still younger at 28 next season and at very least could start 30-40 games until Levi ready to make the jump.

 

On 5/30/2025 at 10:59 AM, Crusader1969 said:

 If the goal is to make the playoffs next year , then putting together a package for Oettinger that Dallas can't say no to , is the solution 

 

His contract though. I mean you're committing to him long term or going to have buy him out which hurts if want to extend Tuch, JJP etc.

[Crusader1969]

1 hour ago, The Jokeman said:

His contract though. I mean you're committing to him long term or going to have buy him out which hurts if want to extend Tuch, JJP etc.

Why wouldn't you want to commit to him long term? 

[The Jokeman]

4 hours ago, Crusader1969 said:

Why wouldn't you want to commit to him long term? 

Levi could be as good and cheaper.

[Two or less]

 

Sign Vitek Vanecek. Played for Lindy in NJ, and now with Florida.... doesn't play much but part of that winning culture. Has playoff games on his resume.

 

Vanecek with UPL

Levi in Rochester

[TheAud]

26 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Levi could be as good and cheaper.

And Juri Kulich could be as good as Sebastian Aho. I’d still take Aho.

[_Q_]

On 5/30/2025 at 9:47 AM, French Collection said:

and he said repeatedly how he wanted to be here, as this was his only contract offer.

Rumor mill claiming that he “hates palm trees.”  Something about Palm allergies.