Sabres offseason changes (or lack there of) so far

[GASabresIUFAN]

Current Roster (players under contract)

Forwards (10) Norris, Thompson, Zucker, Tuch, Greenway, Krebs, Lafferty, Malenstyn, Benson & Kulich (Cap Cost 35.23)

Defense (5) Dahlin, Power, Samuelsson, Clifton & Byrson (Cap Cost 27.869)

Goalies (1) UPL (Cap cost 4.75)

Dead Cap (1) Skinner (Cap Cost 4.444)

Total Cap 16 players (72.293)

RFAs: JJP, McLeod, Quinn, Kozak, Byram, JBD, R Johnson, Brannstrom, and Levi

Relevant Trade deadline moves

A) Traded Cozens for Norris and Bernard-Docker

B) Re-signed Greenway and Zucker

Offseason changes, moves and retentions

1) retaining the services of both Ruff and Adams (and Appert)

2) fired the strength and conditioning coach

3) Hired Eric Staal as a special asst to Adams

4) Rumored to be trading Byram and possibly Quinn this summer

5) Rumored that Karmanos and Ventura will leave the organization after the Amerks season ends. 

6) Rumored to be adding a senior executive for the hockey dept. 
 

 

Edited yesterday at 11:18 PM by GASabresIUFAN

[CallawaySabres]

Just get a GodDam goalie and 2 defensemen please. Nothing else matters. Actually, better get 3 now that Byram is probably gone. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

9 minutes ago, CallawaySabres said:

Just get a GodDam goalie and 2 defensemen please. Nothing else matters. Actually, better get 3 now that Byram is probably gone. 

Ain’t that the friggin truth.  Amen brother!

[dudacek]

14 minutes ago, CallawaySabres said:

Just get a GodDam goalie and 2 defensemen please. Nothing else matters. Actually, better get 3 now that Byram is probably gone. 

This is what gets me shaking my head about the Byram conversation.

Never mind what “kind” of defenceman he is, he was the team’s 2nd-best defenceman and +11 at 23 minutes night.

They’re going to get 3 better defenceman than that this summer?

I don’t think they’ve had three better defencemen than that in the last decade.

[LabattBlue]

17 minutes ago, dudacek said:

I don’t think they’ve had three better defencemen than that in the last decade.

Ahhhhh….memories of that dynamic duo, Messy Balls.  😂

[tom webster]

40 minutes ago, dudacek said:

This is what gets me shaking my head about the Byram conversation.

Never mind what “kind” of defenceman he is, he was the team’s 2nd-best defenceman and +11 at 23 minutes night.

They’re going to get 3 better defenceman than that this summer?

I don’t think they’ve had three better defencemen than that in the last decade.

I think it’s more that he wants the chance to be a #1 and expects to be paid accordingly. If he would sign for #3 money, they’d keep him.

[Stads]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Ain’t that the friggin truth.  Amen brother!

[7+6=13]

2 hours ago, tom webster said:

I think it’s more that he wants the chance to be a #1 and expects to be paid accordingly. If he would sign for #3 money, they’d keep him.

This is an interesting take.  So you think he wants north of 9 mil per?  Do you think he could get that from a team willing to trade for him, with the said team having to likely give a good player back?

 

[dudacek]

1 hour ago, 7+6=13 said:

This is an interesting take.  So you think he wants north of 9 mil per?  Do you think he could get that from a team willing to trade for him, with the said team having to likely give a good player back?

 

it's more like wanting to be on a team where he gets the opportunity.

You don't get the big bucks without the big points. And you don't get the big points without being on the power play.

Byram doesn't play on the power play and won't as long as he's on a team with Dahlin.

ES points:

• Fox 40 $9.5M
• Karlsson 38 $11.5M
• Carlson 37 $8M
• Chabot 37 $8M
• Byram 35 RFA
• Chychrun 32 $9M
• Montour 30 $7.1M
• Pietrangelo 29 $8.8M
• Sergachev 29 $8.5M
• Dobson 26 RFA
• Burns 26 $8M
• Hamilton 25 $9M
• Sanderson 23 $8M
• Seider 22 $8.5M
• Josi 21 $9M

Look at those numbers and you can see his point.

 

 

 

[GASabresIUFAN]

1 hour ago, dudacek said:

it's more like wanting to be on a team where he gets the opportunity.

You don't get the big bucks without the big points. And you don't get the big points without being on the power play.

Byram doesn't play on the power play and won't as long as he's on a team with Dahlin.

ES points:

• Fox 40 $9.5M
• Karlsson 38 $11.5M
• Carlson 37 $8M
• Chabot 37 $8M
• Byram 35 RFA
• Chychrun 32 $9M
• Montour 30 $7.1M
• Pietrangelo 29 $8.8M
• Sergachev 29 $8.5M
• Dobson 26 RFA
• Burns 26 $8M
• Hamilton 25 $9M
• Sanderson 23 $8M
• Seider 22 $8.5M
• Josi 21 $9M

Look at those numbers and you can see his point.

 

 

 

Why did you leave off Power's 34 EV points?  

Your post is further proof that one of Byram or Power is redundant.  Dahlin is the 1st PP and Byram or Power on the 2nd.  However, neither of these guys is able to carry a D pairing successfully on their own.    Keep one and trade the other and then use that opportunity to get the "survivor" a real smart defensively responsible partner.  It wouldn't hurt to get Dahlin one as well so that we can free him up to be even more dominate offensively.

[inkman]

12 hours ago, dudacek said:

This is what gets me shaking my head about the Byram conversation.

Never mind what “kind” of defenceman he is, he was the team’s 2nd-best defenceman and +11 at 23 minutes night.

They’re going to get 3 better defenceman than that this summer?

I don’t think they’ve had three better defencemen than that in the last decade.

His counting stats are fine. It’s his underlying stats that get me nervous.  He was flat out bad away from Dahlin. 

[dudacek]

7 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Why did you leave off Power's 34 EV points? 

Because this is a list of defencemen whose PP production helped them get paid.

The entire point of the post was to show the coin Byram might be able to access if he got a shot on the PP to pad his stats.

[LGR4GM]

9 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Because this is a list of defencemen whose PP production helped them get paid.

The entire point of the post was to show the coin Byram might be able to access if he got a shot on the PP to pad his stats.

Why would you put Byram on the pp when you have Rasmus Dahlin?

[dudacek]

1 hour ago, inkman said:

His counting stats are fine. It’s his underlying stats that get me nervous.  He was flat out bad away from Dahlin. 

You know who else who had terrible underlying stats away from Dahlin?

Jake Sanderson and Mortiz Seider

For a little apples to apples:

These are Byram's numbers with Dahlin

• GF% 70, xG% 53.1, SA% 54.2%

These are Byram's numbers with Power

• GF% 50, xG% 42.6, SA% 51.7%

These are Byram's numbers with Clifton

• GF% 50.4, xG% 46.4% SA% 41.8%

These are Sanderson's number with his #1 guy, Zub

• GF% 47.4, xG% 56.3, SA% 51.2

These are Sanderson's number with his #2 guy, Hamonic

• GF% 23.8, xG% 46.2, SA% 47.3

These are Sanderson's number with his #3 guy, Jensen

• GF% 49.3, xG% 57.1, SA% 49.4

These are Seider's number with his #1 guy, Chiarot

• GF% 49.2, xG% 47.1, SA% 46.6

These are Seider's number with his #2 guy, Edvinsson

• GF% 62.5, xG% 51.6, SA% 53.3

These are Seider's number with his #3 guy, Holl

• GF% 0, xG% 60.7, SA% 56.6

Young D playing 1st-pairing minutes on mediocre teams don't typically have great analytics. For some reason Byram is held to a different standard. 🤷‍♂️

27 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Why would you put Byram on the pp when you have Rasmus Dahlin?

Exactly

[GASabresIUFAN]

@dudacek none of this info changes the facts that none of our D are good defensively away from Dahlin. As I’ve stated many times, I’d trade Power and keep Byram.  I think Byram is the better player who at least makes an effort defensively and is willing to be physical.  Power makes no effort defensively and will never be a physical player.  
 

I have also stated that there was no way the Sabres would or could keep both Byram and Power.  
 

Now that a Byram trade is more likely, I think we are  kind of beating a dead horse.  The Sabres have to fix the defensive skills of our D group and moving on from Byram is the first step, whether we agree with Adams or not.  The next steps are sending our other D failures, Clifton and Samuelsson, packing as well.  

Edited 8 hours ago by GASabresIUFAN

[7+6=13]

15 hours ago, dudacek said:

it's more like wanting to be on a team where he gets the opportunity.

You don't get the big bucks without the big points. And you don't get the big points without being on the power play.

Byram doesn't play on the power play and won't as long as he's on a team with Dahlin.

ES points:

• Fox 40 $9.5M
• Karlsson 38 $11.5M
• Carlson 37 $8M
• Chabot 37 $8M
• Byram 35 RFA
• Chychrun 32 $9M
• Montour 30 $7.1M
• Pietrangelo 29 $8.8M
• Sergachev 29 $8.5M
• Dobson 26 RFA
• Burns 26 $8M
• Hamilton 25 $9M
• Sanderson 23 $8M
• Seider 22 $8.5M
• Josi 21 $9M

Look at those numbers and you can see his point.

 

 

 

I understand what you're saying but how's he going to get that opportunity?  The only way I see it, is if he plays the final year of his contract and signs a one year deal somewhere where a team will allow him PP time to get these coveted points.  That's not likely.

Wanting a trade from the Sabres isn't going to do it either.  They'll have to give up a good player to get him and they'll want a commitment to sign an extension shortly after the trade.  Which will be based on his current point status.  

Maybe I'm missing something. 

[dudacek]

14 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

I understand what you're saying but how's he going to get that opportunity?  The only way I see it, is if he plays the final year of his contract and signs a one year deal somewhere where a team will allow him PP time to get these coveted points.  That's not likely.

Wanting a trade from the Sabres isn't going to do it either.  They'll have to give up a good player to get him and they'll want a commitment to sign an extension shortly after the trade.  Which will be based on his current point status.  

Maybe I'm missing something. 

He’s a restricted free agent now. And there’s a much better chance he can get the type of contract he wants elsewhere on a team lacking a defenceman as talented as he is.

He gets traded to, say, Calgary who desperately needs his type of defenceman.

They offer him 7 years at 7.5M using the same logic the Canucks used with Hughes, and the Sabres with Power: that he’ll make it worth their while over the term of the contract because he is going to be used like a #1 D-man and they believe he’ll thrive in that role.

Or he inks a 1-year $5M deal in the hopes he earns a 7-year $9M contract by putting up 60 points next year because he believes he’ll get used like a #1 dMan and will thrive in that role.

Edited 3 hours ago by dudacek

[dudacek]

A real good example would be Jeff Chychrun.

He was behind Chabot and Sanderson in Ottawa, got traded to the Caps and nearly doubled his salary by scoring 20 goals in a higher role.

[thewookie1]

2 minutes ago, dudacek said:

A real good example would be Jeff Chychrun.

He was behind Chabot and Sanderson in Ottawa, got traded to the Caps and nearly doubled his salary by scoring 20 goals in a higher role.

Jakob lol, Jeff was his Dad

[7+6=13]

1 hour ago, dudacek said:

He’s a restricted free agent now. And there’s a much better chance he can get the type of contract he wants elsewhere on a team lacking a defenceman as talented as he is.

He gets traded to, say, Calgary who desperately needs his type of defenceman.

They offer him 7 years at 7.5M using the same logic the Canucks used with Hughes, and the Sabres with Power: that he’ll make it worth their while over the term of the contract because he is going to be used like a #1 D-man and they believe he’ll thrive in that role.

Or he inks a 1-year $5M deal in the hopes he earns a 7-year $9M contract by putting up 60 points next year because he believes he’ll get used like a #1 dMan and will thrive in that role.

I see where we're passing each other, not that I necessarily disagree.  I think he can get 7 - 7.5 now, even possibly from the Sabres.  I thought we were talking about a path for him to get north of 9 mil.  I think that's a serious challenge and I don't believe he's getting 72/8 like Chychrun.  Not in this contract.  Maybe he signs a 3 year deal, performs on a team as you suggest and his next, 27 year old contract is high end.