How would you retool this team this summer?

[GASabresIUFAN]

42 minutes ago, dudacek said:

I think we can all agree that Miller is bigger and Byram is more skilled.

Miller, statistically at least, hasn't shown to be any better than Byram in terms of his analytics, and despite his size he's not a banger.

Is the thinking here that he's cheaper and better fit in terms of usage?

Doesn't solve the handedness issue and I think Byram is the better player, but I could be argued into this as the basis of a trade.

Miller has 427 blocks and 568 hits over the last 4 seasons (106 blks and 142 hits per season).  He is certainly a more physical player than Byram and is a better fit with Dahlin than either Byram or Power.

Byram in his two full NHL season has 220 blocks and 169 hits (110 blks and 85 hits per season).  

As you have pointed out, pretty much anyone can play with Dahlin.  Also adding Miller allows Dahlin to play on the right side where he is most comfortable.  The handedness issue really goes to a pairing with Power.  Power needs to play on the left side.  Adding a Soucy (an RHD) or an Orlov (LHD, but plays R effectively as well) gets Power what he needs.  JBD is also a RHD.

[dudacek]

20 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Miller has 427 blocks and 568 hits over the last 4 seasons (106 blks and 142 hits per season).  He is certainly a more physical player than Byram and is a better fit with Dahlin than either Byram or Power.

Byram in his two full NHL season has 220 blocks and 169 hits (110 blks and 85 hits per season).  

As you have pointed out, pretty much anyone can play with Dahlin.  Also adding Miller allows Dahlin to play on the right side where he is most comfortable.  The handedness issue really goes to a pairing with Power.  Power needs to play on the left side.  Adding a Soucy (an RHD) or an Orlov (LHD, but plays R effectively as well) gets Power what he needs.  JBD is also a RHD.

Better than 70% GF%? Wow!

 

😜

[thewookie1]

6 hours ago, dudacek said:

Timo Maier signed two years ago for 8X$8.8M coming off a 66-point season.

I don't think your offer is going to get it done.

If we go 5x9mil then defer 12.5mil of the contract. It would drop the cap hit to 8.45mil

[thewookie1]

https://puckgm.puckpedia.com/rosters/584013

[LGR4GM]

6 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

https://puckgm.puckpedia.com/rosters/584013

You got Josh Allen to sign with the Sabres?!? Dude that's awesome

[LGR4GM]

8 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

https://puckgm.puckpedia.com/rosters/584013

In all seriousness, adding a goalie this offseason is paramount. You could add 3 new defenders and get the team to play better defense but the soft whale ***** goals will sink the season none the less. I don't love this roster, but I don't hate it either. 

[LGR4GM]

Something to consider:

 

[LGR4GM]

The more I look at it the more the Rangers really make the most sense. They have rhd, could use a lhd, and there's a vet forward or 2 that could interest Buffalo. 

[Flashsabre]

Dreger says Marner is gone and there is mutual interest with Vegas.

That means a lot of salary out the door  for the Knights.

Go make a deal with them. Karlsson, Roy, Hague Whitecloud are all possibilities 

[LGR4GM]

25 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

Dreger says Marner is gone and there is mutual interest with Vegas.

That means a lot of salary out the door  for the Knights.

Go make a deal with them. Karlsson, Roy, Hague Whitecloud are all possibilities 

Idk how Vegas clears 13 million. But I think Karlsson is definitely the odd man out. That's 5.9 million and he's only got a 10 team ntc.

That said Roy and Whitecloud leaving would free up 6 million in cap and that might just be enough to add Marner and fill holes. Especially if Buffalo is sending something cheap back. 

Edited Thursday at 01:43 PM by LGR4GM

[DarthEbriate]

7 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Idk how Vegas clears 13 million. But I think Karlsson is definitely the odd man out. That's 5.9 million and he's only got a 10 team ntc.

That said Roy and Whitecloud leaving would free up 6 million in cap and that might just be enough to add Marner and fill holes. Especially if Buffalo is sending something cheap back. 

It’s a little thing they call scheduled surgical procedures and LTIR.

[JoeSchmoe]

What would we need to package with Levi to get Woll from the Leafs? Does Levi and the 9th OA get it done?

[dudacek]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

The more I look at it the more the Rangers really make the most sense. They have rhd, could use a lhd, and there's a vet forward or 2 that could interest Buffalo. 

I’m not advocating this, but I suspect the Sabres might be willing to take on Kreider.

A big, veteran leader with PP skills and some edge to his game, who gets to the net and scores dirty goals.

The contract, age and the season he just had make him a big risk and I worry our management will overpay.

But as a cap dump in a deal that nets us better assets, I might consider the risk.

The Rangers are one of the few teams with cap issues, and Im curious how desperate they are to dump him.

[Broken Ankles]

28 minutes ago, dudacek said:

I’m not advocating this, but I suspect the Sabres might be willing to take on Kreider.

A big, veteran leader with PP skills and some edge to his game, who gets to the net and scores dirty goals.

The contract, age and the season he just had make him a big risk and I worry our management will overpay.

But as a cap dump in a deal that nets us better assets, I might consider the risk.

The Rangers are one of the few teams with cap issues, and Im curious how desperate they are to dump him.

I agree that the Sabres would/could accept the “camp dump” (hard saying this about a guy who has averaged 33 goals per season the last three).  Assuming JJP is going the other way, what does taking Kreider on net you as the return from the Rangers? 

[ponokasabre]

3 minutes ago, Broken Ankles said:

I agree that the Sabres would/could accept the “camp dump” (hard saying this about a guy who has averaged 33 goals per season the last three).  Assuming JJP is going the other way, what does taking Kreider on net you as the return from the Rangers? 

To me the other asset has to be Braeden Schnieder full stop. Top 4 right handed defensman, mean, big, 23, signed one more year at 2.2 million then a RFA

That is your asset you are willing to take Krieder for. You could also try and maybe pry Adam Edstrom off there 4th line he is 24 and is 6,7 234 pounds

[ponokasabre]

7 minutes ago, ponokasabre said:

To me the other asset has to be Braeden Schnieder full stop. Top 4 right handed defensman, mean, big, 23, signed one more year at 2.2 million then a RFA

That is your asset you are willing to take Krieder for. You could also try and maybe pry Adam Edstrom off there 4th line he is 24 and is 6,7 234 pounds

Has the size, skating ability, right-handed shot, poise and defensive chops to play big minutes at the National Hockey League level (for a very long time). Does not have high-end offensive acumen but that does not prevent him from logging a ton of ice time in all game situations. Also displays a physical side to his game that helps his team win hockey games. He may not be the prototypical "modern-day" defenseman, but NHL teams cannot win Stanley Cups without his type.

 

That is Schnieders scouting report, sounds about exactly what we dont have and sounds exactly like what would flourish and make Power flourish playing beside him

[bob_sauve28]

On 5/3/2025 at 12:57 PM, Taro T said:

Would hope both would.

Expecting Swayman will bounce back.

If he gets traded it will be out of the conference

[dudacek]

39 minutes ago, Broken Ankles said:

I agree that the Sabres would/could accept the “camp dump” (hard saying this about a guy who has averaged 33 goals per season the last three).  Assuming JJP is going the other way, what does taking Kreider on net you as the return from the Rangers? 

 

30 minutes ago, ponokasabre said:

To me the other asset has to be Braeden Schnieder full stop. Top 4 right handed defensman, mean, big, 23, signed one more year at 2.2 million then a RFA

That is your asset you are willing to take Krieder for. You could also try and maybe pry Adam Edstrom off there 4th line he is 24 and is 6,7 234 pounds

 

I didn't watch a ton of Kreider this year and I don't know why his numbers fell off so badly, so it's really hard for me to put a value on him.

You're really relying on your pro scouts.

Let's just say the trade is Peterka for Schneider+. Does making Kreider the + improve the deal for Buffalo, or make it worse? I suspect there will be a split of opinions on that one. And once you decide the difference, how do you compensate for it in terms of both talent and cap space.

I'm going to toss this one out there as food for thought without actually endorsing it: Kreider and Schneider for Peterka and Clifton. Adding Clifton frees up a roster spot and $3M under the cap for Buffalo for another upgrade on D. 

Clearly, this trade is based on 3 gambles: that Kreider can bounce back and provide some of the edge, netfront play, size and veteran presence the Sabres need; that Peterka is not going to make the jump to an 80-point player; and that Schneider is exactly the piece the Sabres are missing on the blueline.

Those are a lot of gambles.

Last summer, Schnieder and Kreider for Peterka would have been considered a steal for Buffalo. A lot can change in one year.

Edited Thursday at 03:54 PM by dudacek

[SabreFinn]

3 hours ago, Flashsabre said:

Dreger says Marner is gone and there is mutual interest with Vegas.

That means a lot of salary out the door  for the Knights.

Go make a deal with them. Karlsson, Roy, Hague Whitecloud are all possibilities 

Karlsson and Whitecload are interesting. What do Vegas need in exchange that we have?

[ponokasabre]

34 minutes ago, dudacek said:

 

 

I didn't watch a ton of Kreider this year and I don't know why his numbers fell off so badly, so it's really hard for me to put a value on him.

You're really relying on your pro scouts.

Let's just say the trade is Peterka for Schneider+. Does making Kreider the + improve the deal for Buffalo, or make it worse? I suspect there will be a split of opinions on that one. And once you decide the difference, how do you compensate for it in terms of both talent and cap space.

I'm going to toss this one out there as food for thought without actually endorsing it: Kreider and Schneider for Peterka and Clifton. Adding Clifton frees up a roster spot and $3M under the cap for Buffalo for another upgrade on D. 

Clearly, this trade is based on 3 gambles: that Kreider can bounce back and provide some of the edge, netfront play, size and veteran presence the Sabres need; that Peterka is not going to make the jump to an 80-point player; and that Schneider is exactly the piece the Sabres are missing on the blueline.

Those are a lot of gambles.

Last summer, Schnieder and Kreider for Peterka would have been considered a steal for Buffalo. A lot can change in one year.

I think its interesting but i dont think they take Cliffton as that would basically break them out even from a cap perspective, and my guess is there goal is to lower cap in the move. Cliffton and Peterka would be roughly 9 million, assuming Peterka signs for 6 mill, Kreider and Schnieder would be would be roughly 8-9 million

 

My take on it was Peterka and Ryan Johnson for Krieder, Schneider and Endstrom, we add about 10-11 million in cap there, depending on what Endstrom signs for probably 1-2 million per on a bridge. So other moves would be needed, jettisoning Lafferty and Clifton and buying out Sammulsen do just that. Then you trade Quinn for Hauge and you resign Byram, and you are set! Oh and sign Perbix as a tough 7 dman

Benson-Norris-Tage

Krieder-Kulich-Tuch

Zucker-Mcloed-Greenway

Malenstyn-Krebs-Endstrom

Dunne/Kozak

 

Byram-Dahlin

Power-Schnieder

Hauge-JBD

Perbix/Bryson

 

This still keeps Helenius, Östlund, Rosen in Roch and the can come up and play top 6 if there is an injury there, plus we keep the 9th pick and draft my dream Brady Martin

 

This would be an offseason I would jump for joy over! The only concern is your top 4 defensmen would all be 24 or younger

 

[LGR4GM]

Since the thread was locked cuz idk why, there was a comment about Zucker being a panicked overpay. I disagreed with that here 

 

I bring it up because here's Palmieri's new contract:

 

[thewookie1]

I’d rather keep Peterka but I saw an offer that was pretty good

Rossi, Spacek and a 26 2nd

for

Peterka and our 26 3rd

 

Rossi wants 7x7mil

It would all depend on Peterka’s ask.

[Weave]

23 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

I’d rather keep Peterka but I saw an offer that was pretty good

Rossi, Spacek and a 26 2nd

for

Peterka and our 26 3rd

 

Rossi wants 7x7mil

It would all depend on Peterka’s ask.

Jaro Spacek?  Certainly would increase tye average age of the roster.

[thewookie1]

27 minutes ago, Weave said:

Jaro Spacek?  Certainly would increase tye average age of the roster.

His son actually

[JohnC]

On 5/29/2025 at 12:35 PM, ponokasabre said:

I think its interesting but i dont think they take Cliffton as that would basically break them out even from a cap perspective, and my guess is there goal is to lower cap in the move. Cliffton and Peterka would be roughly 9 million, assuming Peterka signs for 6 mill, Kreider and Schnieder would be would be roughly 8-9 million

 

My take on it was Peterka and Ryan Johnson for Krieder, Schneider and Endstrom, we add about 10-11 million in cap there, depending on what Endstrom signs for probably 1-2 million per on a bridge. So other moves would be needed, jettisoning Lafferty and Clifton and buying out Sammulsen do just that. Then you trade Quinn for Hauge and you resign Byram, and you are set! Oh and sign Perbix as a tough 7 dman

Benson-Norris-Tage

Krieder-Kulich-Tuch

Zucker-Mcloed-Greenway

Malenstyn-Krebs-Endstrom

Dunne/Kozak

 

Byram-Dahlin

Power-Schnieder

Hauge-JBD

Perbix/Bryson

 

This still keeps Helenius, Östlund, Rosen in Roch and the can come up and play top 6 if there is an injury there, plus we keep the 9th pick and draft my dream Brady Martin

 

This would be an offseason I would jump for joy over! The only concern is your top 4 defensmen would all be 24 or younger

 

Where are you putting Quinn?