DarthEbriate Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 34 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said: I just had a vision. We acquire 3OA and Gibson and smaller pieces and thats it. Sad You're not going to die in childbirth trade Eichel just for the 3, Gibson, the rights to Lundestrom, and Derek Grant, @Randall Flagg, I promise. No, I promise you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Thorny Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 3 hours ago, dudacek said: I think from previous conversations you tend to draw sharper lines between prospects than I do. To answer your question, if I had Beniers, I would not trade him for Cozens. If I had Cozens, I would not trade him for Beniers. I consider them roughly on par in terms of ability, very much the type of player I would want on my team, and project each developing into a Ryan-O'Reilly level NHL player. Zegras I see as more of a Willie Nylander/Mitch Marner type, with a higher offensive ceiling than Beniers/Cozens, a lower floor, and less all-round utility. Actually, ROR is a pretty darn high bar for those two. Arguably a top 10 league centre, now playing at a point a game pace - pretty lofty. It could happen, but wouldn't be my base projection for either If that was Beniers projection I don't think he's sitting at consensus 3-5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Thorny said: Actually, ROR is a pretty darn high bar for those two. Arguably a top 10 league centre, now playing at a point a game pace - pretty lofty. It could happen, but wouldn't be my base projection for either If that was Beniers projection I don't think he's sitting at consensus 3-5 We need to talk about that word consensus again... But yes Beniers is not Eichel level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: We need to talk about that word consensus again... But yes Beniers is not Eichel level He was saying ROR level but I don't see that as a solid projection. Ceiling, yes ROR was 15th in NHL.com's centre rank last offseason, for example - between Tavares and Point and also above Pettersson, Couturier, and Barzal. He's a top tier guy Edited June 17, 2021 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: We need to talk about that word consensus again... But yes Beniers is not Eichel level Sorry, but: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/consensus "the judgment arrived at by most of those concerned" Isn't Power ranked first by about 6/10? Last I checked that's "most", and, therefore, fairly termed a consensus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Thorny said: Sorry, but: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/consensus "the judgment arrived at by most of those concerned" Isn't Power ranked first by about 6/10? Last I checked that's "most", and, therefore, fairly termed a consensus Most of those concerned to me means above 60% more like 90% but I'm splitting hairs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 minute ago, LGR4GM said: Most of those concerned to me means above 60% more like 90% but I'm splitting hairs. What are your thoughts on Beniers and Cozens re: ROR as a projection? A fair one? Better as a ceiling? Floor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 Just now, Thorny said: What are your thoughts on Beniers and Cozens re: ROR as a projection? A fair one? Better as a ceiling? Floor? It's a style comparison for me. Beniers ceiling though, yes ror ish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 Cozens ceiling? Idk. Someone else can answer that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 Just now, LGR4GM said: Cozens ceiling? Idk. Someone else can answer that. Jeff Carter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted June 20, 2021 Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) On 6/16/2021 at 2:12 PM, LGR4GM said: Comtois and Perrault are musts in any Eichel deal if Zegras is off the table. If Anaheim refuses to move Zegras or Drysdale and no other team is offering up a prospect of that level, could Buffalo get a package of Comtois, Perrault, #3 overall in 2021, and another piece (2022 or 2023 1st, Lukas Dostal, Benoit-Olivier Groulx)? That would probably be seen as a disappointing return by most Sabres fans, but KA would be able to say that he got his 4 1st round pick (value wise) type pieces that he was reportedly asking for. Edited June 20, 2021 by Curt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 20, 2021 Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 21 hours ago, Curt said: If Anaheim refuses to move Zegras or Drysdale and no other team is offering up a prospect of that level, could Buffalo get a package of Comtois, Perrault, #3 overall in 2021, and another piece (2022 or 2023 1st, Lukas Dostal, Benoit-Olivier Groulx)? That would probably be seen as a disappointing return by most Sabres fans, but KA would be able to say that he got his 4 1st round pick (value wise) type pieces that he was reportedly asking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted June 20, 2021 Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 32 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: hell of gamble with Gibson though 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 20, 2021 Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Huckleberry said: hell of gamble with Gibson though 🙂 Probably a mistake. I think zegras and Drysdale are more valuable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted June 20, 2021 Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 minute ago, LGR4GM said: Probably a mistake. I think zegras and Drysdale are more valuable Yeah I would rather have Zegras myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted June 20, 2021 Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: Gibson would be a bit of a surprise for me, because if they make a trade for Eichel, you would think that they would be trying to win now, and Gibson would kind of need to be a part of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 20, 2021 Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 If the Sabres re-sign Reinhart, Gibson fits the Sabres Timeline. If neither Sam or Jack are returning, acquiring Gibson makes little sense unless he is being moved for more assets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, Brawndo said: If the Sabres re-sign Reinhart, Gibson fits the Sabres Timeline. If neither Sam or Jack are returning, acquiring Gibson makes little sense unless he is being moved for more assets Based on what you’ve heard, how likely is it that they resign Reino? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 If the Sabres had to choose between an Anaheim offer of Zegras, Comtois and their 3OA or a Chicago deal for Kirby Dach, their first round pick and a couple of previously mentioned players from their roster which one would be the better offer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, JohnC said: If the Sabres had to choose between an Anaheim offer of Zegras, Comtois and their 3OA or a Chicago deal for Kirby Dach, their first round pick and a couple of previously mentioned players from their roster which one would be the better offer? Who are the previously mentioned Chicago guys? I’d say Anaheim unless those Chicago guys are better than Comtois. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Curt said: Who are the previously mentioned Chicago guys? I’d say Anaheim unless those Chicago guys are better than Comtois. In a post by @Flashsabreyesterday he listed Dach, 11th pick, Boqvist and Reichel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, LGR4GM said: Not sure if Chad has heard something, or if he’s spitballing, but I can live with this return. I’m sick of living in goalie purgatory. Gibson is a top-10 starter, not some washed-up cap dump. He will steady a young team and help shield its growth. I’m not worried about his age in the slightest. Good goalies play well into their 30s. Carey Price is 33, Fleury is 36. Gibson is 27. Ryan Miller was 26 when he broke out and played at a high level in 2005/06 and he sustained that high level us for 8 years, plus a couple more in Vancouver. 3rd could give us Eklund, Comtois is exactly what we need stylistically and it sounds like one more lottery ticket will be part of the package. If we have to trade Jack, this is something that makes sense to me. Edited June 21, 2021 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, dudacek said: Not sure if Chad has heard something, or if he’s spitballing, but I can live with this return. I’m sick of living in goalie purgatory. Gibson is a top-10 starter, not some washed-up cap dump. He will steady a young team and help shield its growth. I’m not worried about his age in the slightest. Good goalies play well into their 30s. Carey Price is 33, Fleury is 36. Gibson is 27. Ryan Miller was 26 when he broke out and played at a high level in 2005/06 and he sustained that high level us for 8 years, plus a couple more in Vancouver. 3rd could give us Eklund, Comtois is exactly what we need stylistically and it sounds like one more lottery ticket will be part of the package. If we have to trade Jack, this is something that makes sense to me. I watched some video of Perreault, and he looks like a better hockey player than I was assuming. I'd be incredibly disappointed to not come away with Zegras or Drysdale, but I wouldn't throw a fit with this return. I tend to believe that Gibson has plenty of good years yet, and maybe even a couple great ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, dudacek said: Not sure if Chad has heard something, or if he’s spitballing, but I can live with this return. I’m sick of living in goalie purgatory. Gibson is a top-10 starter, not some washed-up cap dump. He will steady a young team and help shield its growth. I’m not worried about his age in the slightest. Good goalies play well into their 30s. Carey Price is 33, Fleury is 36. Gibson is 27. Ryan Miller was 26 when he broke out and played at a high level in 2005/06 and he sustained that high level us for 8 years, plus a couple more in Vancouver. 3rd could give us Eklund, Comtois is exactly what we need stylistically and it sounds like one more lottery ticket will be part of the package. If we have to trade Jack, this is something that makes sense to me. I have serious mixed feelings about Gibson; mostly due to this... GP GAA Sv% 3 1.33 0.954 23 2.60 0.914 40 2.06 0.920 52 2.22 0.924 60 2.43 0.926 58 2.84 0.917 51 3.00 0.904 35 2.98 0.903 His stats have been trending down the last 4 years but I'm unsure if that is due to their team or him just being exposed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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