That Aud Smell Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 13 hours ago, Mike Honcho said: its pretty embarrassing that its coming to this Whatever, IMO. I'm all for anything that gets us to ~70% vaccinated, up to and including $100 Walmart gift cards. 21 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said: what???!!?!!?!?! do people really think there is a microchip in the vaccine? Jordan Poyer's wife among them, based on her social media content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bg17 Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said: Whatever, IMO. I'm all for anything that gets us to ~70% vaccinated, up to and including $100 Walmart gift cards. In order to get to that 70% do you think parents and grandparents should have their perfectly healthy teenagers vaccinated? Those teenagers are at extremely low risk for Covid complications. Looks like low risk for vaccine complications as well but who is to tell this demographic to ignore the risk? https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/05/24/covid-vaccine-heart-problems-teens-young-adults-what-we-know/5241271001/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 17 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said: Whatever, IMO. I'm all for anything that gets us to ~70% vaccinated, up to and including $100 Walmart gift cards. Jordan Poyer's wife among them, based on her social media content. I'd like to hit 75-80 but yes, whatever incentive ppl need. Poyer's wife... I made sure to unfollow or block all of her stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, bg17 said: In order to get to that 70% do you think parents and grandparents should have their perfectly healthy teenagers vaccinated? Those teenagers are at extremely low risk for Covid complications. Looks like low risk for vaccine complications as well but who is to tell this demographic to ignore the risk? https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/05/24/covid-vaccine-heart-problems-teens-young-adults-what-we-know/5241271001/ Yes they should get vaccinated because they are still a vector for mutation and spread. Marco Rossi, an extremely healthy athlete, got covid and ended up with inflamed heart muscles and could have died so... that or the crazy small risk of whatever this USA today article is trying to cobble together. Quote The vaccine safety group says the “relatively few” reports of myocarditis “appear to be mild” and are below the expected baseline rates. Edited May 25, 2021 by LGR4GM grammar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bg17 Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Yes they should get vaccinated because they are still a vector for mutation and spread. Marco Rossi, an extremely healthy athlete, got covid and ended up with inflamed heart muscles and could have died so... that or the crazy small risk of whatever this USA today article is trying to cobble together. It’s not so much something USA today is trying to cobble together. It’s something the CDC is investigating. Parents of teens have every right to question if the vaccine is right for their kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Zamboni said: I can see the other side of the argument too. There is no other side. As many people as possible need to be vaccinated to protect those who the vaccine is not an answer (think of organ recipients on immunosuppressant drugs). 10 hours ago, Zamboni said: I wonder if they will have a legal leg to stand on. Absolutely. Businesses can legally ask if patrons have been vaccinated. HIPAA does not apply. Edited May 25, 2021 by Doohickie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 Just now, Doohickie said: There is no other side. As many people as possible need to be vaccinated to protect those who the vaccine is not an answer (think of organ recipients on immunosuppressant drugs). That’s not what I was referring to. ie: other side. Nevermind. 👍🏼 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 9 hours ago, Zamboni said: Or do private businesses have all the right to ask AND get answered all of their questions. My workplace does not require a person to answer whether they are vaxed. It's voluntary. But unless an employee attests to being vaxed they need to wear a mask at work. 58 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said: what???!!?!!?!?! do people really think there is a microchip in the vaccine? Are these the same people that think the earth is flat, that the sun revolves around the earth? https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-microchip-fit-why-decided-100000123.html The shocking thing isn't that some people believe this stuff. The shocking part is how many of them there are out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 19 minutes ago, bg17 said: In order to get to that 70% do you think parents and grandparents should have their perfectly healthy teenagers vaccinated? Those teenagers are at extremely low risk for Covid complications. Looks like low risk for vaccine complications as well but who is to tell this demographic to ignore the risk? https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/05/24/covid-vaccine-heart-problems-teens-young-adults-what-we-know/5241271001/ Yes. Teenagers may be at lower risk for severe illness but they can still spread the virus. That's the whole point of heard immunity: You vax everyone you can to protect people who either can't be vaxed or for whom the vax is not effective. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 12 hours ago, Curt said: I have seasonal allergies that flare up pretty bad at times. I’ve had days the past couple weeks that I’ve been pretty sneezy, coughy, and occasionally a little snorty even though I’ve not been sick. This year has been BRUTAL for me. I've gotten some sideways looks, too, at which point I just say "allergies," and people seem to nod in understanding. 14 hours ago, Mike Honcho said: its pretty embarrassing that its coming to this It's a win-win-win. People who haven't had the opportunity to get the vaccine have a pop-up site to go to, the business gets some publicity and some customers who stay for more than one, and people get a free beverage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bg17 Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 Volunteering other people’s healthy teenagers to be exposed to a small risk of vaccine-related myocarditis seems like such an easy decision to make. Who knew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 16 minutes ago, bg17 said: Volunteering other people’s healthy teenagers to be exposed to a small risk of vaccine-related myocarditis seems like such an easy decision to make. Who knew? Better than exposing people's healthy teenagers to a small risk of COVID related myocarditis while at the same time they continue to spread the virus. Considering we know that COVID causes myocarditis in some healthy young ppl versus "might maybe could" with the vaccine. Also the USA Today piece does not say there is "vaccine-related" myocarditis. Any adverse event that occurs within a set timeframe after vaccination will be investigated and that's all they are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 44 minutes ago, bg17 said: In order to get to that 70% do you think parents and grandparents should have their perfectly healthy teenagers vaccinated? Absolutely. I certainly did with mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 11 minutes ago, bg17 said: Volunteering other people’s healthy teenagers to be exposed to a small risk of vaccine-related myocarditis seems like such an easy decision to make. Who knew? Almost as easy a decision as passing that risk on to the 5% that aren’t protected by the vaccine. Who knew? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 40 minutes ago, bg17 said: It’s not so much something USA today is trying to cobble together. It’s something the CDC is investigating. Parents of teens have every right to question if the vaccine is right for their kids. Didn't say anything about questioning it, I am saying if you question the vaccine but accept the risks of getting covid that doesn't make your decision smart. The parent would rather the kid get covid because they can say "oh I am not responsible for that, it's just random chance" versus giving a kid the vaccine and being responsible for the EXTREMELY rare adverse event. It is bad risk management based on being responsible versus being able to say the parent isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 16 minutes ago, Eleven said: This year has been BRUTAL for me. I've gotten some sideways looks, too, at which point I just say "allergies," and people seem to nod in understanding. Agree 100%. It's been incredible, really. I think the abnormally dry conditions are playing a role. There is just constantly a film of pollen on my car/van. 13 minutes ago, bg17 said: Volunteering other people’s healthy teenagers to be exposed to a small risk of vaccine-related myocarditis seems like such an easy decision to make. Who knew? Who's volunteering other people's kids? It's the right thing to do. Hopefully a super majority of people do it. I'm guessing and hoping that a COVID-19 vaccination will be a requirement to go back to school -- maybe not by September 2021, but as soon as full (?) FDA approval is granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said: Agree 100%. It's been incredible, really. I think the abnormally dry conditions are playing a role. There is just constantly a film of pollen on my car/van. Who's volunteering other people's kids? It's the right thing to do. Hopefully a super majority of people do it. I'm guessing and hoping that a COVID-19 vaccination will be a requirement to go back to school -- maybe not by September 2021, but as soon as full (?) FDA approval is granted. Probably 2022 then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Probably 2022 then. Maybe January (or early) 2022 following the winter break? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said: Maybe January (or early) 2022 following the winter break? Maybe but I think schools would push back against that. September 2022 makes too much sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 Just now, LGR4GM said: Maybe but I think schools would push back against that. September 2022 makes too much sense. The guv wants schools open this coming September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 Just now, Eleven said: The guv wants schools open this coming September. right. the question, i think, is whether a vaccination will be required in order to return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said: right. the question, i think, is whether a vaccination will be required in order to return. Right. Schools are opening in September, the question is will Covid19 Vaccinations be mandatory to return. My guess would be no because I think FDA approval will still be emergency based. 11 minutes ago, Eleven said: The guv wants schools open this coming September. Quick note, schools are open now and have taught during the pandemic. In September most schools are planning for in person teaching. The question is will students be required to be vaccinated to attend in person. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Quick note, schools are open now and have taught during the pandemic. In September most schools are planning for in person teaching. The question is will students be required to be vaccinated to attend in person. 27 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said: right. the question, i think, is whether a vaccination will be required in order to return. Not all of them are open now... Also, NY requires MMR and TB vaccines for in-person attendance, right? This should be no different. Edited May 25, 2021 by Eleven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 Just now, Eleven said: Also, NY requires MMR and TB vaccines for in-person attendance, right? This should be no different. Those vaccinations have a full FDA approval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, Eleven said: Not all of them are open now... Also, NY requires MMR and TB vaccines for in-person attendance, right? This should be no different. What public school in NY is closed currently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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