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26 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

No

Didn't expect he would.  Thanks.

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From Corey Pronman.

Regarding the WJSS Last Week

Ryan Johnson, D, Buffalo

Johnson stood out to me consistently through the camp, and even as a 2001 in the 2000 age group, he looks like a strong candidate for the World Junior team this winter. His skating and hockey sense looked very good. “He was a pleasant surprise for us. He has quickness and elusiveness,” said USA general manager John Vanbiesbrouck. The skating was always evident when I watched Johnson last season, but the offense was inconsistent. He was a second power play guy on the eventual USHL champion and some games I didn’t see him make a ton of plays. He was very good down the stretch, though, and made a lot of tough plays in this camp.

“I believe I have a lot of potential, especially on the offensive side. Being deceptive with the puck is a big part of my game,” said Johnson.

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Johnson has all the makings of a #3/4 defender. He has excellent skating and will just need a couple years to fill out and learn the game a bit. It is good to hear he is progressing. I have more hope for him than Samuelsson who I still believe has questionable skating agility. 

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I am very intrigued by Johnson.

As far as Samuelsson goes, Vanbiesbrouck (I believe in the same interview) called him a “pillar” of the team.

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2 minutes ago, dudacek said:

I am very intrigued by Johnson.

I am too, but I would have phrased it a bit differently. 😉

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Listened to Jbot on the Instigators and he talked a great deal about our kids

1) Johnson and Samuelsson - Johnson was exceptional at the showcase and thinks he has a great shot at the World Jr team.  Samuelsson will be one of the leaders of that team. Johnson skates well and has a high IQ

2) Cozens - travelled with Canada at the showcase but has been rehabbing in Buffalo.  

3) Portillo - thought Eric was really good for Sweden, winning both their games.  USHL and then Minn over the next two years.  Can’t have enough goaltending 

4) Pekar - Loves Pekar.  Thinks he brings an element we sorely need and likes his skill set. Thinks he’ll be a important player for Czech at World Jrs

5) Jokiharju - loves his skill set and implied could make the Sabres. Loves that he was really good for Sweden at World Jrs and Worlds.

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1 minute ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

5) Jokiharju - loves his skill set and implied could make the Sabres. Loves that he was really good for Sweden at World Jrs and Worlds.

There's no doubt he's going to make the team

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10 minutes ago, WildCard said:

There's no doubt he's going to make the team

I think so also, but with a healthy Bogo, who are your top 6? Dahlin and McCabe are 1, 2 on the LHDs and Montour and Risto 1, 2 RHDs.  That leaves Miller, Jokiharju, Scandella and Bogo fighting for 2 starting jobs.  Jbot didn’t trade for Miller to sit him.  

Dahlin Montour

McCabe Risto

Miller Jokiharju

Scandella Bogo - If those two are riding the pine, that’s 9.143 mill in dead cap space.

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54 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Listened to Jbot on the Instigators and he talked a great deal about our kids

1) Johnson and Samuelsson - Johnson was exceptional at the showcase and thinks he has a great shot at the World Jr team.  Samuelsson will be one of the leaders of that team. Johnson skates well and has a high IQ

2) Cozens - travelled with Canada at the showcase but has been rehabbing in Buffalo.  

3) Portillo - thought Eric was really good for Sweden, winning both their games.  USHL and then Minn over the next two years.  Can’t have enough goaltending 

4) Pekar - Loves Pekar.  Thinks he brings an element we sorely need and likes his skill set. Thinks he’ll be a important player for Czech at World Jrs

5) Jokiharju - loves his skill set and implied could make the Sabres. Loves that he was really good for Sweden at World Jrs and Worlds.

Just curious, did you typo here or did JBot say he liked how good the Jokiharju was for Sweden.  Just asking, because he's Finnish, not Swedish.  Don't care if you had a typo, but if JBot said Sweden... hoo boy.

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On 8/5/2019 at 2:15 PM, dudacek said:

I am very intrigued by Johnson.

As far as Samuelsson goes, Vanbiesbrouck (I believe in the same interview) called him a “pillar” of the team.

That’s some pretty harsh criticism of Samuelsson’s skating!  

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The Athletic (Pronman) is publishing his list of the worst to best prospect pipeline.  https://theathletic.com/1147438/2019/08/20/2019-nhl-farm-system-rankings-no-18-buffalo-sabres/

Last season we were ranked No. 1 highlighted by Dahlin and Mittelstadt, with Nylander, Guhle, Pilut and Ullmark still in the system.

This season he has us down to 18th, because the guys above graduated or were traded (Nylander and Guhle).  New additions are Cozens, Johnson, Portillo and Huglen.

His ranking is by NHL ceiling and includes players over 23 and excludes players with over 30 games of NHL experience.  Therefore Thompson (21) and Jokiharju (20) are off this list

His rankings

1) Cozens

2) Oskari Laaksonen

3) Johnson

4) UPL

5) Olofosson

6) Samuelsson

7) Portillo

8) Huglen

9) Pekar

10) Asplund

11) Ruotsalainen

12) Borgen

13) CJ Smith

14) Bryson

15) Davidsson

16) Rousek

17) Weissbach

Others Fitzgerald, Murray, Cederqvist and Cronholm

Top 10 23 and under

1) Jack

2) Dahlin

3) Reinhart

4) Cozens

5) Mittelstadt

6) Jokiharju

7) Thompson

8) Laaksonen

9) Johnson

10) UPL

 

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He did say on Twitter our 23-and-under list is among the league’s best. Dahlin should be #1 on our list though. 

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52 minutes ago, Thorny said:

He did say on Twitter our 23-and-under list is among the league’s best. Dahlin should be #1 on our list though. 

Pronman rates Eichel over Dahlin.

He really likes Eichel.

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1 hour ago, dudacek said:

Pronman rates Eichel over Dahlin.

He really likes Eichel.

That’s ok, he can be wrong. 

I do, too. 

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Eichel has played 4 seasons in the league, is in his prime, and is barely cracking top 20 C lists. 

I’d be shocked if Dahlin isn’t firmly planted in the top 20 D by this season’s end. And, if Heiskanen is right now (NHL Network’s list), Dahlin should have been on it already and above him. 

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8 minutes ago, Thorny said:

That’s ok, he can be wrong. 

I do, too. 

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Eichel has played 4 seasons in the league, is in his prime, and is barely cracking top 20 C lists. 

I’d be shocked if Dahlin isn’t firmly planted in the top 20 D by this season’s end. And, if Heiskanen is right now (NHL Network’s), Dahlin should have been on it already and above him. 

Which is wrong, IMO. 

Jack has become a bit underrated around fandom due to injuries and the ongoing ineptitude of the Sabres.

The player we saw up until Christmas was a top 10 NHL talent, becoming an elite player. He’s right there with Barkov and McKinnon and Mathews, behind McDavid at the vanguard of the next wave. Given his age, contract and position, he goes top 10 in a from-scratch league-wide expansion draft.

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34 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Which is wrong, IMO. 

Jack has become a bit underrated around fandom due to injuries and the ongoing ineptitude of the Sabres.

The player we saw up until Christmas was a top 10 NHL talent, becoming an elite player. He’s right there with Barkov and McKinnon and Mathews, behind McDavid at the vanguard of the next wave. Given his age, contract and position, he goes top 10 in a from-scratch league-wide expansion draft.

I’m one of the biggest Eichel stans on this board, so while I agree he’s underrated, it’s not by me. 

Dahlin definitely goes above Eichel in an expansion draft though. 

Younger, higher ceiling, equally important position, and Franchise D are harder to acquire than Franchise C.

Dahlin would be the first D selected in that scenario, there’s lots of forwards going before Jack. 

It would be interesting to see if Eichel would indeed go top 10, but I’m not so certain. McDavid, MacKinnon, Matthews, Barkov I’d imagine all go ahead. Point probably does. So there can’t be 5 other guys for him to make top 10, and we haven’t touched D or G (though I can’t see a G going top 10). 

Does the League’s MVP Kucherov go ahead? Probably. Crosby might still. To GMs league wide in a draft I’d imagine he’s in a pick-em with forwards like Elias Pettersson, Mitch Marner, and Draisaitl. Though I’d take him above those 3.   

If the draft is being run by analytics gurus, Stone and Couturier are going before Eichel. Would be interesting to see all the different thought processes that would go into it. 

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12 hours ago, Thorny said:

That’s ok, he can be wrong. 

I do, too. 

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Eichel has played 4 seasons in the league, is in his prime, and is barely cracking top 20 C lists. 

I’d be shocked if Dahlin isn’t firmly planted in the top 20 D by this season’s end. And, if Heiskanen is right now (NHL Network’s list), Dahlin should have been on it already and above him. 

How many seasons did MacKinnon play before really cracking those lists? 

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12 hours ago, Thorny said:

I’m one of the biggest Eichel stans on this board, so while I agree he’s underrated, it’s not by me. 

Dahlin definitely goes above Eichel in an expansion draft though. 

Younger, higher ceiling, equally important position, and Franchise D are harder to acquire than Franchise C.

Dahlin would be the first D selected in that scenario, there’s lots of forwards going before Jack. 

It would be interesting to see if Eichel would indeed go top 10, but I’m not so certain. McDavid, MacKinnon, Matthews, Barkov I’d imagine all go ahead. Point probably does. So there can’t be 5 other guys for him to make top 10, and we haven’t touched D or G (though I can’t see a G going top 10). 

Does the League’s MVP Kucherov go ahead? Probably. Crosby might still. To GMs league wide in a draft I’d imagine he’s in a pick-em with forwards like Elias Pettersson, Mitch Marner, and Draisaitl. Though I’d take him above those 3.   

If the draft is being run by analytics gurus, Stone and Couturier are going before Eichel. Would be interesting to see all the different thought processes that would go into it. 

You can make a case for all those guys, but GMs are still horse traders by nature.

Stone and Couturier (and Point) aren’t the talents. I absolutely love those guys, but they just aren’t dynamic big play guys.

Marner and Pettersson aren’t strong enough and Draisaitl isn’t fast enough. Pettersson is still a projection and the other two are buoyed by elite linemates. Crosby is Crosby, but he is 10 years older. Kucherov is awesome, but he’s a winger.

We’re talking face of the franchise here. Jack ticks all the boxes.

Not saying you’re wrong, but I do think situations play a lot into perception.

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4 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

How many seasons did MacKinnon play before really cracking those lists? 

Put Eichel wherever you think he deserves to be, just put Dahlin ahead, because he’s the more valuable asset. 

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4 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

How many seasons did MacKinnon play before really cracking those lists? 

4 seasons.  He basically broke out in his 5th season, at age 22.

Eichel will be in his 5th season in 2019-20, but also has already completed his age 22 season.

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23 minutes ago, Curt said:

4 seasons.  He basically broke out in his 5th season, at age 22.

Eichel will be in his 5th season in 2019-20, but also has already completed his age 22 season.

And Eichel has already greatly outscored MacKinnon to this point. 

MacKinnon had 206pts in 300games for a total of 0.687ppg

Eichel had 259pts in 286 games for a total of 0.906ppg

I'd argue that last season Eichel broke out. 

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17 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

And Eichel has already greatly outscored MacKinnon to this point. 

MacKinnon had 206pts in 300games for a total of 0.687ppg

Eichel had 259pts in 286 games for a total of 0.906ppg

I'd argue that last season Eichel broke out. 

Yeah, absolutely.  I wasn't passing any judgments, just laying out a couple facts. 

I wouldn't really say Eichel "broke out" though.  He has had a pretty slow and steady improvement season to season.  His point per game have gone from 0.69 to 0.93 to 0.96 to 1.06.  MacKinnon, on the other hand, doubled his points per game from 0.65 in 2016-17 to 1.31 in 2017-18.  That's a break out!

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37 minutes ago, Curt said:

Yeah, absolutely.  I wasn't passing any judgments, just laying out a couple facts. 

I wouldn't really say Eichel "broke out" though.  He has had a pretty slow and steady improvement season to season.  His point per game have gone from 0.69 to 0.93 to 0.96 to 1.06.  MacKinnon, on the other hand, doubled his points per game from 0.65 in 2016-17 to 1.31 in 2017-18.  That's a break out!

And MacKinnon played with Rantannan and Eichel played with the corpse of Pominville.  Eichel also had a severe productivity decline after suffering what seemed to be a concussion mid-season and still ended the year at over a PPG.

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