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2 minutes ago, freester said:

What is your evidence for saying that Botteril has done a good job drafting?  Is it the amazing development of Mitts? The surprising pick of Dahlin?

That’s a good question.

Another good question is, Since he’s been the GM of the Sabres, can anyone list which GM (since May of 2017) have a better “hit rate” and “miss rate”. 
Without doing the digging, I would take a crazy wild guess, and guess he’s pretty average. He’s not terrible. He’s not amazing. Anyone want to take that task on?

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17 hours ago, Curt said:

This may be true.  I personally feel very positive about him though.  I don’t think he is the typical 4th round pick who score at a high rate  as a junior overager.  I feel that he has the personality and mentality to bust his butt to get to the NHL and bust his butt to get better every chance he gets.  To me, he could be the kind of guy who keeps getting better and better and better.  Maybe starting off as a 4th line guy, but working his way into being a good middle six wing, or even better.

You're describing Justin Abdelkader.  That's not a bad thing.

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Don't understand what this crazy strong 'need' for top-6 players is when we already will have:  Eichel, Skinner, Reinhart, Mittelstadt, and Cozens locked up for the next decade.  That's room for one top-6 player.  And that's assuming guys like Tage can't fill that role in a year or two.

 

We need solid 3rd liners, and that's what Asplund and Pekar are.  We need a solid goalie, and we have 6K in the ranks.  We need defenders even sooner since only Dahlin+Joki are long-term locks, and we have a handful of them.  I don't get how anyone can look at our pipeline and be stressed.  I think its just impatience.  Rome wasn't built in a day, and Murray did Botterill almost no favors building up a propsect pool.  Ok cool, he got us 3rd liner Asplund and 3rd liner PP specialist Olofsson with a 7th round gamble.  Otherwise he traded all his lottery tickets away and picked a lot of the wrong guys, especially with all the 2nd round picks that amounted to nothing in the end.

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4 minutes ago, triumph_communes said:

Don't understand what this crazy strong 'need' for top-6 players is when we already will have:  Eichel, Skinner, Reinhart, Mittelstadt, and Cozens locked up for the next decade.  That's room for one top-6 player.  And that's assuming guys like Tage can't fill that role in a year or two.

 

We need solid 3rd liners, and that's what Asplund and Pekar are.  We need a solid goalie, and we have 6K in the ranks.  We need defenders even sooner since only Dahlin+Joki are long-term locks, and we have a handful of them.  I don't get how anyone can look at our pipeline and be stressed.  I think its just impatience.  Rome wasn't built in a day, and Murray did Botterill almost no favors building up a propsect pool.  Ok cool, he got us 3rd liner Asplund and 3rd liner PP specialist Olofsson with a 7th round gamble.  Otherwise he traded all his lottery tickets away and picked a lot of the wrong guys, especially with all the 2nd round picks that amounted to nothing in the end.

Lol this post is filled with contradictions and bad conclusions. 

What if mittelstadt is a 3rd line. You now need 2 top 6 players of Cozens hits. There's no one in the pipe for that. 

Your assessment of only joki and Dahlin as long term locks ignores Millers contract. Montour being an rfa. The depth in Rochester. 

This idea we have enough forwards isn't reality. 

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37 minutes ago, triumph_communes said:

Don't understand what this crazy strong 'need' for top-6 players is when 1 )we already will have:  Eichel, Skinner, Reinhart, Mittelstadt, and Cozens locked up for the next decade.  That's room for one top-6 player.  2) And that's assuming guys like Tage can't fill that role in a year or two.

 

3) We need solid 3rd liners, and that's what Asplund and Pekar are.  We need a solid goalie, and we have 6K in the ranks. 4)  We need defenders even sooner since only Dahlin+Joki are long-term locks, and we have a handful of them.  5) I don't get how anyone can look at our pipeline and be stressed.  I think its just impatience.  Rome wasn't built in a day, and 6) Murray did Botterill almost no favors building up a propsect pool.  Ok cool, he got us 3rd liner Asplund and 3rd liner PP specialist Olofsson with a 7th round gamble.  Otherwise he traded all his lottery tickets away and picked a lot of the wrong guys, especially with all the 2nd round picks that amounted to nothing in the end.

Let me spend the next few minutes on this... 

1) Actually Reinhart isn't locked up at all and neither for that matter is Mittelstadt. In addition Mittlestadt to date has not shown he can be a top 6 player. So that is a big leap. Further Cozens has not shown he is a top 6 player if either of those 2 guys fall below that expectation everything else you lay out falls to pieces. 

2) Tage might sure but let's say he doesn't. Who is up next? In this very real scenario Mitts and Tage are bottom 6 players. So you now have only 4 top 6 players on your roster or in your prospect pool. Let's continue though. 

3) I would agree that Asplund appears to be headed for 3rd line status and that Pekar has the potential for that although like Tage we don't know. 

4) This is my favorite sentence because of how contradictory it is by not only reality but how you wrote it. First Dahlin, Jokiharju, Montour, Miller all have contracts going forward or are RFA's and are younger. So I just listed 4 defenders going forward. Second at the beginning you say "We need defenders even sooner..." we just put Gilmour on waivers because we have so many NHL level defenders on this team. The best part is you end the sentence with "and we have a handful of them." So which it is it? We need them or we have a handful? 

5) How can anyone look at the pipeline and be stressed? Ok I will take this. Name 4 players in the pipeline that have top 6 potential. We have Cozens. Hell I will give you Tage. That's it. There aren't any hidden offensive gems right now. Now for fun, and I mean FUN!, let's do the defense. Not currently playing in Buffalo you have Laaksonen, Borgen, Johnson, Samuelsson, Pilut, maybe fitzgerald. There's 6 total defenders but 12 forward spots. So even if you have an extra top 6 forward all that does is make your bottom 6 better because one of those top 6 guys has to play there.

6) Just like a guy named Gym you took the time to prove my point for me. Murray didn't do Botterill any favors and only managed to get us Olofsson and Asplund and yet you are arguing our prospect pool at forward isn't f####d? I mean you yourself lay the ground work for why it is. Anyone coming to the conclusion that the forward part of our prospect pool isn't bad isn't paying attention to the Sabres pro team or who and how we have drafted especially in the last 3 years. 

Since Jason Botterill became GM the Sabres have drafted 18 players. 8 forwards, 8 defenders, and 2 goalies. Again there are 12 forward slots and 6 defense slots. A little bit concerning since Murray left the cupboards empty and we have barely addressed the lack of forwards of high quality in our pool. 

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1 hour ago, triumph_communes said:

Don't understand what this crazy strong 'need' for top-6 players is when we already will have:  Eichel, Skinner, Reinhart, Mittelstadt, and Cozens locked up for the next decade.  That's room for one top-6 player.  And that's assuming guys like Tage can't fill that role in a year or two.

No.

When I look at Mitts, I think "bust" and "a nail in JB's coffin." 

It's too soon for those to be fair evaluations on my part, but I think a bad outcome at this point is more likely than Mitts developing into a top-6 player.

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1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

Let me spend the next few minutes on this... 

1) Actually Reinhart isn't locked up at all and neither for that matter is Mittelstadt. In addition Mittlestadt to date has not shown he can be a top 6 player. So that is a big leap. Further Cozens has not shown he is a top 6 player if either of those 2 guys fall below that expectation everything else you lay out falls to pieces. 

2) Tage might sure but let's say he doesn't. Who is up next? In this very real scenario Mitts and Tage are bottom 6 players. So you now have only 4 top 6 players on your roster or in your prospect pool. Let's continue though. 

3) I would agree that Asplund appears to be headed for 3rd line status and that Pekar has the potential for that although like Tage we don't know. 

4) This is my favorite sentence because of how contradictory it is by not only reality but how you wrote it. First Dahlin, Jokiharju, Montour, Miller all have contracts going forward or are RFA's and are younger. So I just listed 4 defenders going forward. Second at the beginning you say "We need defenders even sooner..." we just put Gilmour on waivers because we have so many NHL level defenders on this team. The best part is you end the sentence with "and we have a handful of them." So which it is it? We need them or we have a handful? 

5) How can anyone look at the pipeline and be stressed? Ok I will take this. Name 4 players in the pipeline that have top 6 potential. We have Cozens. Hell I will give you Tage. That's it. There aren't any hidden offensive gems right now. Now for fun, and I mean FUN!, let's do the defense. Not currently playing in Buffalo you have Laaksonen, Borgen, Johnson, Samuelsson, Pilut, maybe fitzgerald. There's 6 total defenders but 12 forward spots. So even if you have an extra top 6 forward all that does is make your bottom 6 better because one of those top 6 guys has to play there.

6) Just like a guy named Gym you took the time to prove my point for me. Murray didn't do Botterill any favors and only managed to get us Olofsson and Asplund and yet you are arguing our prospect pool at forward isn't f####d? I mean you yourself lay the ground work for why it is. Anyone coming to the conclusion that the forward part of our prospect pool isn't bad isn't paying attention to the Sabres pro team or who and how we have drafted especially in the last 3 years. 

Since Jason Botterill became GM the Sabres have drafted 18 players. 8 forwards, 8 defenders, and 2 goalies. Again there are 12 forward slots and 6 defense slots. A little bit concerning since Murray left the cupboards empty and we have barely addressed the lack of forwards of high quality in our pool. 

There were no contradictions. 

 

Our only long-term defender before Botterill was Guhle.  Ignoring Dahlin, now we have Joki, Montour, Pilut, Laaksonen, Samuelsson, Johnson...

Our only top-6 forwards on term before Botterill were Eichel, Reinhart, ROR, Okposo lol, and Nylander??.  Now we've swapped ROR with Skinner, and added Mittelstadt (who is at least a top-6 LW, if you think less you are crazy biased), Cozens (future ROR replacement) and Tage (huge framed forwards ALWAYS TAKE LONGER TO DEVELOP).  Oh, don't forget Ristolainen has been made completely redundant as has been shopped for over a year now to fix the forward position.

 

Yes, we need forwards.  One Top-6 quality guy long-term would be nice, especially since half of what we have is too young to help today.  But we need depth guys more than anything.  And Murray left him with little to none.  Funny to argue against a guy working with cap hell, turning over the roster 10+ players each season so far, and a bad aura players love to talk to the press about.

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10 minutes ago, triumph_communes said:

Our only long-term defender before Botterill was Guhle.

what are you talking about jay hernandez GIF

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1 hour ago, triumph_communes said:

There were no contradictions. 

 

Our only long-term defender before Botterill was Guhle.  Ignoring Dahlin, now we have Joki, Montour, Pilut, Laaksonen, Samuelsson, Johnson...

Our only top-6 forwards on term before Botterill were Eichel, Reinhart, ROR, Okposo lol, and Nylander??.  Now we've swapped ROR with Skinner, and added Mittelstadt (who is at least a top-6 LW, if you think less you are crazy biased), Cozens (future ROR replacement) and Tage (huge framed forwards ALWAYS TAKE LONGER TO DEVELOP).  Oh, don't forget Ristolainen has been made completely redundant as has been shopped for over a year now to fix the forward position.

 

Yes, we need forwards.  One Top-6 quality guy long-term would be nice, especially since half of what we have is too young to help today.  But we need depth guys more than anything.  And Murray left him with little to none.  Funny to argue against a guy working with cap hell, turning over the roster 10+ players each season so far, and a bad aura players love to talk to the press about.

We have 3 top 6 forwards (4 if you count Johanssen)  You can't win like that in the NHL. We need 2 more top 6 forwards immediately.   Bottom 6 players are a dime a dozen.  They are readily available.  Please don't ever say Mitts is a top 6 anything.  At this point its not clear he's an NHL player.

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2 hours ago, freester said:

We have 3 top 6 forwards (4 if you count Johanssen)  You can't win like that in the NHL. We need 2 more top 6 forwards immediately.   Bottom 6 players are a dime a dozen.  They are readily available.  Please don't ever say Mitts is a top 6 anything.  At this point its not clear he's an NHL player.


this is the prospects thread. You’re posting as if it’s the roster thread. 

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Cozens is still leading the WHL in scoring.

I hope Dale Hunter takes him on Team Canada for the WJHC, we could see him play on a bigger stage against some top peers.

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8 minutes ago, French Collection said:

Cozens is still leading the WHL in scoring.

I hope Dale Hunter takes him on Team Canada for the WJHC, we could see him play on a bigger stage against some top peers.

It would be a stunner if the highest-drafted Canadian forward (with Dach in the NHL) in the most recent draft is healthy and playing well and doesnt get picked for Team Canada. I’d be surprised if it has ever happened before. 

He’ll be picked and will likely be playing the top 6.

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