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We open as -7.5 dogs for our Thanksgiving matchup vs the Cowboys

 

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Is it still a thing that Josh Allen is not good? That's a serious question from a person not into following the NFL. His basic numbers look good, when I watch him play I think he does just fine, and it looks like his team mates really dig him.

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2 minutes ago, ... said:

Is it still a thing that Josh Allen is not good? That's a serious question from a person not into following the NFL. His basic numbers look good, when I watch him play I think he does just fine, and it looks like his team mates really dig him.

Maybe but the Bills schedule is one of the all time easiest so it's hard to gauge.  He may just be an average QB reaping the benefits of playing against awful teams. 

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3 minutes ago, ... said:

Is it still a thing that Josh Allen is not good? That's a serious question from a person not into following the NFL. His basic numbers look good, when I watch him play I think he does just fine, and it looks like his team mates really dig him.

This is a key point:

1 hour ago, WildCard said:

Allen has the best ELO out of any AFC East QB so far this season; about the same as Matt Ryan this year (182 for Allen, 187 for Ryan)

It's not so much that he's "good" it's that he's getting better, and rather quickly.  The last two games made that very apparent.  The TD pass to Brown yesterday stands out to me as a pass he doesn't make last year, or even earlier this year.  He's getting through his progressions much more quickly and is learning to just throw it away if the receiver isn't open and he's being pressured.  He's turning from a shoot-out kind of QB to a game manager, although the shoot-out mentality is still in his DNA.  In other words, he's harnessing his talent with discipline, something that his critics doubted would ever happen.

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2 minutes ago, Doohickie said:

This is a key point:

It's not so much that he's "good" it's that he's getting better, and rather quickly.  The last two games made that very apparent.  The TD pass to Brown yesterday stands out to me as a pass he doesn't make last year, or even earlier this year.  He's getting through his progressions much more quickly and is learning to just throw it away if the receiver isn't open and he's being pressured.  He's turning from a shoot-out kind of QB to a game manager, although the shoot-out mentality is still in his DNA.  In other words, he's harnessing his talent with discipline, something that his critics doubted would ever happen.

Right, the past couple of games, especially, he's looked calm in the pocket and has made some really nice throws.  I mean he looks legit good on most plays and then when he runs it...I'm pretty impressed based against what "people" have been saying about him.  His protection hasn't been NE-like, and he's not getting a ton of time, so I can see where getting quicker reads has been an improvement. I guess not following day-to-day, game-moment-to-game-moment I'm getting the coarse view of his development.  Looking forward to the Thanksgiving game, that's for sure.

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5 minutes ago, ... said:

Looking forward to the Thanksgiving game, that's for sure.

I'll be there, at the 45 yard line.

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The cool thing about Allen is that he's starting to compare to Jim Kelly in various stats.  Kelly played 2 seasons of pro ball in the USFL before the league folded and he came to the Bills who had drafted him in the NFL draft.  The fact that Allen is drawing comparisons to him in his second year is very encouraging.

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22 minutes ago, Doohickie said:

This is a key point:

It's not so much that he's "good" it's that he's getting better, and rather quickly.  The last two games made that very apparent.  The TD pass to Brown yesterday stands out to me as a pass he doesn't make last year, or even earlier this year.  He's getting through his progressions much more quickly and is learning to just throw it away if the receiver isn't open and he's being pressured.  He's turning from a shoot-out kind of QB to a game manager, although the shoot-out mentality is still in his DNA.  In other words, he's harnessing his talent with discipline, something that his critics doubted would ever happen.

Maybe. I'll be curious to see if he gets more consistent against better opponents. 

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Yes, that's the rub.  He's better, but is he good enough to take on the big guys?  I think maybe he is, but we'll see.

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27 minutes ago, Doohickie said:

This is a key point:

It's not so much that he's "good" it's that he's getting better, and rather quickly.  The last two games made that very apparent.  The TD pass to Brown yesterday stands out to me as a pass he doesn't make last year, or even earlier this year.  He's getting through his progressions much more quickly and is learning to just throw it away if the receiver isn't open and he's being pressured.  He's turning from a shoot-out kind of QB to a game manager, although the shoot-out mentality is still in his DNA.  In other words, he's harnessing his talent with discipline, something that his critics doubted would ever happen.

This is likely only a temporary but necessary stage in his development as an NFL franchise QB. He simply doesn't have the experience (not just as a pro, but as a QB in general) to run a high-octane offense right now. To be honest, the current WR's and OL don't have the talent to do it either. But when you have a top-5 defense and a top-5 running game (partly due to Allen's own running skills), why not opt for the game-manager QB role a bit more? The team is a singular Steelers away game victory from an 80% chance of making the playoffs; they are an additional Jets home game victory from having their best record since 1999.

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I totally agree with your point; that's why I mentioned his "DNA".  Ultimately I see him as a Favre/Kelly gunslinger kind of QB, as opposed more of a surgeon like Marino or Brady.  But to maximize the gunslinger upside, I think Allen will need a good foundation.

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51 minutes ago, Doohickie said:

I totally agree with your point; that's why I mentioned his "DNA".  Ultimately I see him as a Farve/Kelly gunslinger kind of QB, as opposed more of a surgeon like Marino or Brady.  But to maximize the gunslinger upside, I think Allen will need a good foundation.

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3 hours ago, Doohickie said:

You are correct, and I know better.  My fingers just typed what they typed.

It's OK. Just don't come after Erie, PA again and we won't have any more problems.

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That Lamar Jackson certainly making a lot of scouts look foolish.   Both him and Allen had growing pains but to me are the only two QB's in this draft actually making progress.  

Lamar Jackson is on another lever than Allen but that is ok, I think you need to be lucky to find  a gem like that.

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5 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

That Lamar Jackson certainly making a lot of scouts look foolish.   Both him and Allen had growing pains but to me are the only two QB's in this draft actually making progress.  

Lamar Jackson is on another lever than Allen but that is ok, I think you need to be lucky to find  a gem like that.

Several of us had Lamar above Allen. Maybe not as the top QB of the draft, but still.

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3 minutes ago, JujuFish said:

Several of us had Lamar above Allen. Maybe not as the top QB of the draft, but still.

I believe we had this video during that time

 

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4 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said:

Dallas is definitely beatable. I wouldn't bet on us to win outright, but I do think the spread is higher than it should be. 

Very worried about Gallup vs Levi Wallace. The Dolphins and others have exposed him as being a prime target to throw against in avoiding White, and Gallup is very good.

Plus ya know, that offensive line and Zeke against our very poor run defense and average pass rush

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1 hour ago, WildCard said:

This is huge

 

Yes it is.  He was out earlier this year and their defense struggled.

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