WildCard Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 So Reinhart gets a show-me year. Bad decision from Botterill IMO, it looks like he isn't a big Samson fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 So Reinhart gets a show-me year. Bad decision from Botterill IMO, it looks like he isn't a big Samson fan I don't get that impression. He's just not on Jack's level. He's not going anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 I don't get that impression. He's just not on Jack's level. He's not going anywhere. Do you believe he'll have a better season than last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) To me it just means that right now the focus is signing Eich to an extension, as it should be. Once done, they will concentrate on Samson and Kane. The Oil focused on whats his name first, right? I wonder if the fans are all bent out of shape that Leon wasn't signed at the same time as that other guy? Edited July 11, 2017 by Sabres Fan In NS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) Do you believe he'll have a better season than last year? I think he'll be better, he's still developing. Statistically, depends on his linemates. Edited July 11, 2017 by pi2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 To me it just means that right now the focus is signing Eich to an extension, as it should be. Once done, they will concentrate on Samson and Kane. The Oil focused on whats his name first, right? I wonder if the fans are all bent out of shape that Leon wasn't signed at the same time as that other guy? But their GM didn't come out and say we won't sign Drasaitl until next year. Also, there's a good chance he has a drop in play, whereas Reinhart likely will not. I think he'll be better, he's still developing. Statically, depends on his linemates. Then there's no point in waiting until next year when he'll be able to demand more money. It's the same principle with Jack; if you believe in them and want them here long term, sign them as early as you can, before it will cost you. The Panthers did this with Ekblad, and the Oilers were smart to do it with McDavid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 But their GM didn't come out and say we won't sign Drasaitl until next year. Also, there's a good chance he has a drop in play, whereas Reinhart likely will not. Leon is an RFA this summer, Reinhart next summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 Leon is an RFA this summer, Reinhart next summer. Fair enough. The principle still applies to Samson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 But their GM didn't come out and say we won't sign Drasaitl until next year. Also, there's a good chance he has a drop in play, whereas Reinhart likely will not. Then there's no point in waiting until next year when he'll be able to demand more money. It's the same principle with Jack; if you believe in them and want them here long term, sign them as early as you can, before it will cost you. The Panthers did this with Ekblad, and the Oilers were smart to do it with McDavid He'll be an RFA, he has 0 leverage. JBOT will offer a fair deal. Risto went through the same process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 But their GM didn't come out and say we won't sign Drasaitl until next year. Also, there's a good chance he has a drop in play, whereas Reinhart likely will not. Then there's no point in waiting until next year when he'll be able to demand more money. It's the same principle with Jack; if you believe in them and want them here long term, sign them as early as you can, before it will cost you. The Panthers did this with Ekblad, and the Oilers were smart to do it with McDavid Sam is also one of his predecessor's "guys." If what we saw today from CM is an indication of the future, and I'm cautious in that claim, GM Bobblehead might be reluctant to commit long term to a winger if he feels his center of the future is a year or two away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 He'll be an RFA, he has 0 leverage. JBOT will offer a fair deal. Risto went through the same process. If that was true, then why isn't he waiting to talk to Jack? Sam is also one of his predecessor's "guys." If what we saw today from CM is an indication of the future, and I'm cautious in that claim, GM Bobblehead might be reluctant to commit long term to a winger if he feels his center of the future is a year or two away. Wouldn't surprise me. I'm going to continue to think JBot isn't sold on Reinhart yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 You don't wait to sign 'franchise' players. Eich is, Samson, as good as he is, isn't. A #2 overall centre will not not be signed to an extension. I still say it is most likely to happen late this summer. No distraction heading into the season for Eich, Sam and Kane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 So Reinhart gets a show-me year. Bad decision from Botterill IMO, it looks like he isn't a big Samson fan Generally players don't sign until they are RFAs. Usually only the very best sign after year two of their ELCs, as far as I can remember. Botterill is just attempting to mitigate risk. Reinhart may (and should) up his stats this season, but Botterill just wants to gather all the information available to him on Sam before he signs him to his next contract. "Worst" case scenario is Sam completely blows up this year, and then really, that's a good problem to have, if we've got another star on our hands. The risk that happens is likely much outweighed by the benefits of added knowledge for Botterill. You have to believe Reinhart's camp would be trying to work in "expected increase in production" into negotiations, even if they did take place this summer. Kane situation should be cleared up by then, as well. Sam will get his deal next summer. Let's get Jack done now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tondas Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 He'll be an RFA, he has 0 leverage. JBOT will offer a fair deal. Risto went through the same process. Agree. I think JBOT is smart and has a plan. I like his approach with both Jack and Sam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 What this mostly tells me is that Botteril doesnt yet know what Sams position is on this team. You can't negotiate with a guy when his role is still undetermined. We're not giving a winger a center contract and Sam isnt accepting winger pay if he expects to be a center. This is his season to define his role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 What this mostly tells me is that Botteril doesnt yet know what Sams position is on this team. You can't negotiate with a guy when his role is still undetermined. We're not giving a winger a center contract and Sam isnt accepting winger pay if he expects to be a center. This is his season to define his role. Yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 If that was true, then why isn't he waiting to talk to Jack? Wouldn't surprise me. I'm going to continue to think JBot isn't sold on Reinhart yet See all the replies above :) I'd rather JBOT not be sold on Reinhart than for him to recklessly offer him a massive deal right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 So Reinhart gets a show-me year. Bad decision from Botterill IMO, it looks like he isn't a big Samson fan Why are we all assuming that JBot is the one who doesn't want to discuss a deal? If I'm Reinhart, I'd rather gamble on a big year this coming season, because I'm not going to get big dollars this summer, not as a 45-point winger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tondas Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 Why are we all assuming that JBot is the one who doesn't want to discuss a deal? If I'm Reinhart, I'd rather gamble on a big year this coming season, because I'm not going to get big dollars this summer, not as a 45-point winger. Gamble is a good word. Maybe Sam is more conservative. All it would take is an injury (nagging or season-ending) for Sam to lose leverage for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 Gamble is a good word. Maybe Sam is more conservative. All it would take is an injury (nagging or season-ending) for Sam to lose leverage for next year. So you think he's gonna be pissed if he doesn't get to play on Jack's wing and rack up the points in a contract year? Or does he want to sacrifice some point production to center a third line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tondas Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 So you think he's gonna be pissed if he doesn't get to play on Jack's wing and rack up the points in a contract year? Or does he want to sacrifice some point production to center a third line? I saying it might be a smart move to take great money now more than having the chance for fabulous money next year. Get some financial security now. If he suffers a career-ender next year, by signing a bridge today, at least he'll have a great financial start to his life. If he turns into a stud, money will never be a problem for him. Take a 2 year deal, make 7-8 million, get yourself peace of mind for life. Now everyone get off my lawn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 Even if Reinhart got injured in camp and missed the entire season, he'd be in line for a nice contract next offseason. I don't think he can do much to drop his stock (and thus, his next contract) this season, relative to what it is now, aside from if he completely tanked this season, which won't happen. Makes sense for both parties to wait and get it done next off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 I saying it might be a smart move to take great money now more than having the chance for fabulous money next year. Get some financial security now. If he suffers a career-ender next year, by signing a bridge today, at least he'll have a great financial start to his life. If he turns into a stud, money will never be a problem for him. Take a 2 year deal, make 7-8 million, get yourself peace of mind for life. Now everyone get off my lawn. I don't think he needs to worry too much about that. He's already earned/guaranteed close to $3 million just from his ELC, not even counting the added incentives, plus half his family has played professionally and I'd assume are wealthy (at least by regular people standards). I don't think he's worried that some freak injury is going to leave him panhandling with a cup in his hand. People seem to think they can lowball these guys and they'll bend to team friendly deals and it's not likely to happen. Winning teams that are challenging for the Cup can sometimes get away with lowballing their blue chip prospects on short term deals with the promise of playoff runs and the chance to win. We haven't made the playoffs in half a decade. Trying to make the case that he should take less to avoid risk and because Murray made the mistake of signing the aging Matt Moulson to a 5 year deal isn't a compelling reason for him to short change himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 I don't think he needs to worry too much about that. He's already earned/guaranteed close to $3 million just from his ELC, not even counting the added incentives, plus half his family has played professionally and I'd assume are wealthy (at least by regular people standards). I don't think he's worried that some freak injury is going to leave him panhandling with a cup in his hand. People seem to think they can lowball these guys and they'll bend to team friendly deals and it's not likely to happen. Winning teams that are challenging for the Cup can sometimes get away with lowballing their blue chip prospects on short term deals with the promise of playoff runs and the chance to win. We haven't made the playoffs in half a decade. Trying to make the case that he should take less to avoid risk and because Murray made the mistake of signing the aging Matt Moulson to a 5 year deal isn't a compelling reason for him to short change himself. $3M is nice money, but he'd still have to work or live lower-middle class if he tried to ride out the rest of his life on that $3M. $3M / 70 years == $42K / yr. Sure there's investing and whatnot, but inflation means he needs another contract to be truly set. Weird world of only getting paid for a short period of your life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) $3M is nice money, but he'd still have to work or live lower-middle class if he tried to ride out the rest of his life on that $3M. $3M / 70 years == $42K / yr. Sure there's investing and whatnot, but inflation means he needs another contract to be truly set. Weird world of only getting paid for a short period of your life. And he's all but guaranteed to get a good second contract no matter what. He could tear his ACL during the first practice, miss every game, and he'll still be in line for a significant pay raise over his ELC. He has talent, potential, and pedigree. Short of dying or getting his arms, legs, hands, or feet chopped off he's not going to have to worry about settling for a lowball offer. All it takes is his agent to get one damn team to float an offer sheet. Edited July 11, 2017 by Drunkard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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