LGR4GM Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 That's fair. But I want the guy the Sabres think will turn into the best player. Period. Make some trades, sign some free agents to shore up the D. It wasn't long ago this franchise had the most depth on D. It was starving for scoring forwards and centremen. Teams needs change all the time. Take the best player because whoever is chosen at 8th needs to be an impact player in 3 years, whether it's D or F. I think the most likely scenario in this draft will be that the BPA at #8 is going to be a defender. Unless Makar, Heiskanen, and Liljegren are all gone at #8 and then a forward most assuredly slid and we should take the forward. There's a chance Pettersson slides into that top 7 or even maybe a Necas. This draft is a cluster of talent between picks #3 and easily #12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 I think the most likely scenario in this draft will be that the BPA at #8 is going to be a defender. Unless Makar, Heiskanen, and Liljegren are all gone at #8 and then a forward most assuredly slid and we should take the forward. There's a chance Pettersson slides into that top 7 or even maybe a Necas. This draft is a cluster of talent between picks #3 and easily #12. And that's fine. Any of those 3 seem to be worthy of the pick. Just don't want to pass on someone with more upside because we have to take a d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 what if we think the d we get at #8 is the BPA? Then good. I'm obviously stating that the focus for #8 will be defense. If you or any other fan considers that player BPA then wonderful lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 Then good. I'm obviously stating that the focus for #8 will be defense. If you or any other fan considers that player BPA then wonderful lol. I think my issue is this idea that there is this 1 player who will be the best available. In 2015 yes. McDavid gone so the next best is Eichel hands down. At #8 in this draft, pick your poison. It is so clustered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 I think my issue is this idea that there is this 1 player who will be the best available. In 2015 yes. McDavid gone so the next best is Eichel hands down. At #8 in this draft, pick your poison. It is so clustered. True agreed. BPA at #8 will be GM discretion for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 I don't see any D in this draft that will provide a huge contribution within the next two years. If we still have a big need in 2 years then we're already in trouble. We will need D in 2 years. Where else are we going to get a top pair D man? All we have heard is that this expansion period will present the best chance to trade for players that wouldn't normally be available. If we are unable to acquire a solid D man through trade even now, I don't have much optimism about being able to do so later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 I don't see any D in this draft that will provide a huge contribution within the next two years. If we still have a big need in 2 years then we're already in trouble. The problem is that this can be said of any defenseman drafted. They aren't likely going to make a meaning contribution with the next 2 years, but this isn't a reason to ignore drafting them high. Maybe GMTM had that on his mind when he didn't draft defense last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 (edited) Only 2 of Mittlestadts assists in the USHL came as primary assists. Over 2/3 of his production came on the PP. I think that might drop him on my list now that I know that. Edited June 14, 2017 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 I think if available at #8, Liljegren is probably the best player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 I think if available at #8, Liljegren is probably the best player. My prediction is that Arizona believes this at #7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 My prediction is that Arizona believes this at #7 Don't think they will go Makar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Don't think they will go Makar? He's gone to Vancouver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 I think Arizona's board looks very much like Canucksarmy's. They just posted Liljegrin at 6. If my finger counting is correct, Liljegren is CA's highest rated defenseman. If Liljegren is gone before 7, I'm guessing they go Pettersson or Suzuki, the latter being well off the consensus. It's the eye-test people that like Makar, Vancouver, probably Vegas, New Jersey even, though I would think they would slide back to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) Colorado I could see taking Makar too. I wonder if a player like Suzuki or Tippett though really does it for Arizona. Both have the stats that Chayka might like. Suzuki with that late 99 birthday and all those points is gotta be in Arizona's top 10. Vancouver taking Pettersson or Liljegren makes sense to me. Vegas I think takes Glass. They really need a center. Idk anyway I slice it, I can't help but get at least 1 of those 3 defenders to #8. It also forces Dallas to take a defender, but they could do anything at #3. Edited June 15, 2017 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Only 2 of Mittlestadts assists in the USHL came as primary assists. Over 2/3 of his production came on the PP. I think that might drop him on my list now that I know that. Wow, that's a very interesting stat. As someone already leaning heavily towards D, this steers me further from Mittlestadt. I think if available at #8, Liljegren is probably the best player. Agreed. From many mocks though, and the conversation here, it could be that all 3 of Makar, Heiskanen and Liljegren are gone at 8. What do we do? I trade down for Valimaki. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) Wow, that's a very interesting stat. As someone already leaning heavily towards D, this steers me further from Mittlestadt. Agreed. From many mocks though, and the conversation here, it could be that all 3 of Makar, Heiskanen and Liljegren are gone at 8. What do we do? I trade down for Valimaki. I know it happened last year but what are the odds that 3 d go in the top 7? Not very often from a mathematical standpoint I don't think. 2012 was like all d but that doesn't happen very often. Edited June 15, 2017 by Saratoga Sabres Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Thorny, I'm right there with you. If we don't get get one of top 3, trade down and get Valimaki. I think this kid is somwhow being overlooked. He dominated in the WHL last year. He also has size and speed. Something the guys in front of him lack. That said, if Jbot fixes the D with some younger guys, like a Brodin for example, then I'm willing to look at another LW at 8. That said I like Vesalainen and would trade down to get him also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Thorny, I'm right there with you. If we don't get get one of top 3, trade down and get Valimaki. I think this kid is somwhow being overlooked. He dominated in the WHL last year. He also has size and speed. Something the guys in front of him lack. I like Valimaki as well. Defends poorly, essp one on one battles, opponents go wide on him with ease and he doesn't have the best feet. But those #'s he had in the WHL are hard to over look. Kid can play, but to determine how good he is will all depend on how much he improves with skating/foot work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 The player i am most intrigued with, as a "sleeper" who i think may be one of the best in this class is Elias Pettersson. He's a taller version of Mitch Marner. I think he goes top-10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 The player i am most intrigued with, as a "sleeper" who i think may be one of the best in this class is Elias Pettersson. He's a taller version of Mitch Marner. I think he goes top-10.There's a very real chance Vancouver drafts him at 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 I'm nearly certain that we're drafting Makar/ Liljegren (if we keep the pick), whichever is available at 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 I'm nearly certain that we're drafting Makar/ Liljegren (if we keep the pick), whichever is available at 8. Link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LGR4GM Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Haha well played Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 This is the most difficult draft to mock. My feeling right now is that Llijegren isn`t going in top 10. Initial Mock Draft. I think there are going to be trades so im just going to do order of the draft Feel fairly confident in the top 4 and the order 1) Hischier 2) Patrick 3) Heiskanen 4) Vilardi Now its just guess work 5) Glass 6) Mittelstandt 7) Makar 8) Tippett Buffalo at this time but still hope they move up to 6th 9) Pettersson 10) Kostin for the record i think Liljegren goes between 12-15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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