dejeanneret Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 (edited) If Sabres get 1st overall pick they draft McDavid. Murray then trades the following: Mikhail Grigorenko Marcus Foligno Nikita Zadorov Hudson Fasching Islanders 1st round pick 2015 Sabres 1st in 2016 (Potential lottery pick if they don't make playoffs) For Jack Eichel Sign Free Agents RW Michael Frolik, RW Chris Stewart, and D Justin Schultz Possible Line combinations Kane (23)- McDavid (19) - Girgensen (21) Ennis (25)- Eichel (19)- Frolik (27) Moulson (31)- Reinhart (19)- Gionta (36) Deslauriers (24)- Larsson (22)- Stewart (27) Defense Risto (20)- Gorges (30) Schultz (24)- Bogosian (24) McCabe (21) - Pysyk (23) Weber (27) Too much for Eichel? Not enough? Too much youth? I think our top two lines would be set for the next 5 years, and they would all grow together. Plus farm hands such as Baptiste and Compher would eventually replace Gionta & Moulson. I think with a little tinkering it could be pulled off. But would we want to... Edited April 15, 2015 by dejeanneret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Not even close to enough for Eichel. The quantity seems right, the quality is off. At the very least 2 of Zemgus/Ennis/Risto must be part of the deal. Point's moot anyways. Neither the 1st or 2nd pick is going to be traded in the 2015 draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabresareback Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Boy that would be great and if it happened we might be set for the next 15 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppy22 Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 (edited) Not even close to enough for Eichel. The quantity seems right, the quality is off. At the very least 2 of Zemgus/Ennis/Risto must be part of the deal. Point's moot anyways. Neither the 1st or 2nd pick is going to be traded in the 2015 draft. Not so fast on the last point. Let's say Boston wins the Lottery they might trade the 1st for our 2nd if the Sabres add a little extra. Boston would get the hometown boy Eichel and maybe another great player and/or pick which makes up for the difference between Eichel and McDavid. It's not that impossible. However one team ending up with 1st and 2nd this year is not likely whatsoever... Edited April 15, 2015 by Peppy22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sicknfla Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 (edited) If Sabres get 1st overall pick they draft McDavid. Murray then trades the following: Mikhail Grigorenko Marcus Foligno Nikita Zadorov Hudson Fasching Islanders 1st round pick 2015 Sabres 1st in 2016 (Potential lottery pick if they don't make playoffs) For Jack Eichel Sign Free Agents RW Michael Frolik, RW Chris Stewart, and D Justin Schultz Possible Line combinations Kane (23)- McDavid (19) - Girgensen (21) Ennis (25)- Eichel (19)- Frolik (27) Moulson (31)- Reinhart (19)- Gionta (36) Deslauriers (24)- Larsson (22)- Stewart (27) Defense Risto (20)- Gorges (30) Schultz (24)- Bogosian (24) McCabe (21) - Pysyk (23) Weber (27) Too much for Eichel? Not enough? Too much youth? I think our top two lines would be set for the next 5 years, and they would all grow together. Plus farm hands such as Baptiste and Compher would eventually replace Gionta & Moulson. I think with a little tinkering it could be pulled off. But would we want to... No thanks. I don't make that trade. If we get McDavid you keep what we have and go from there. I see no point in a 6 assets for 1 deal after you already have McDavid and Reinhart as your centers of the future. Plus eventually your going to have pay these guys HUGE contracts. On the flip side I would do Grigorenko, Zadarov, and Isles 1st for O'Reilly. Then your picking up some veteran presence. Grigs is expendable, Zadarov worries me, and the late first is no big deal. The O'Reilly deal would be contingent on a contract in place something similar to 7 for 42-45 million. Edited April 15, 2015 by sicknfla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 If Sabres get 1st overall pick they draft McDavid. Murray then trades the following: Mikhail Grigorenko Marcus Foligno Nikita Zadorov Hudson Fasching Islanders 1st round pick 2015 Sabres 1st in 2016 (Potential lottery pick if they don't make playoffs) For Jack Eichel Sign Free Agents RW Michael Frolik, RW Chris Stewart, and D Justin Schultz Possible Line combinations Kane (23)- McDavid (19) - Girgensen (21) Ennis (25)- Eichel (19)- Frolik (27) Moulson (31)- Reinhart (19)- Gionta (36) Deslauriers (24)- Larsson (22)- Stewart (27) Defense Risto (20)- Gorges (30) Schultz (24)- Bogosian (24) McCabe (21) - Pysyk (23) Weber (27) Too much for Eichel? Not enough? Too much youth? I think our top two lines would be set for the next 5 years, and they would all grow together. Plus farm hands such as Baptiste and Compher would eventually replace Gionta & Moulson. I think with a little tinkering it could be pulled off. But would we want to... You'll likely have to replace Grigorenko, Foligno and Fasching with Reinhart, Pysyk and another highly rated prospect just to get Phoenix to even consider moving the pick.. If another team lands the 1st pick and Arizona drops to the 3rd pick? I can see Arizona willing to flip that pick for a package of assets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 SAM REINHART WILL BE FINE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 SAM REINHART WILL BE FINE! idk, I heard his GPA is suffering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Claude_Verret Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Nope, never. With Reinhart and McEichel we will be all set and there is no need to gouge our young talent pool even if it were possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBHockey13 Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 We might as well speculate on what it would take to get both Crosby and Ovechkin on our team next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 I know this is just a 'what if' thread, but in the salary cap era I don't think it's feasible to have two players of elite status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 in the spirit of Sam Reinhart will be fine there's this. In general I think folks here do tend to criminally underrate the score we made as a result of the 2014 tank. https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/jrhockey-buzzing-the-net/reinhart--ehlers-and-nylander-lead-scouts--take-on-top-10-nhl-drafted-prospects-031436409.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 in the spirit of Sam Reinhart will be fine there's this. In general I think folks here do tend to criminally underrate the score we made as a result of the 2014 tank. https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/jrhockey-buzzing-the-net/reinhart--ehlers-and-nylander-lead-scouts--take-on-top-10-nhl-drafted-prospects-031436409.html He's gonna be - uh - real good methinks. The top forward selected usually is. Also, don't let NS see this, as they have Ehlers ranked #2 behind Reinhart. Seems all his shouting wasn't for nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Boy that would be great and if it happened we might be set for the next 15 years. we are set for the next 15 year - Eichel and Reinhart. TSN replayed the final game of the WJC last night - watched the last 10 minutes and Reinhart was fantastic. Last two minutes of the game - not sure he left the ice, took every important draw and set up Duclair beautifully for an empty netter where the D made a big save. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 we are set for the next 15 year - Eichel and Reinhart. TSN replayed the final game of the WJC last night - watched the last 10 minutes and Reinhart was fantastic. Last two minutes of the game - not sure he left the ice, took every important draw and set up Duclair beautifully for an empty netter where the D made a big save. Yep. Barring another "Black Sunday" in free agency, the Sabres should be comfortably in the playoffs every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 No thanks. I don't make that trade. If we get McDavid you keep what we have and go from there. I see no point in a 6 assets for 1 deal after you already have McDavid and Reinhart as your centers of the future. Plus eventually your going to have pay these guys HUGE contracts. On the flip side I would do Grigorenko, Zadarov, and Isles 1st for O'Reilly. Then your picking up some veteran presence. Grigs is expendable, Zadarov worries me, and the late first is no big deal. The O'Reilly deal would be contingent on a contract in place something similar to 7 for 42-45 million. Hurray! I agree with you on something :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 No thanks. I don't make that trade. If we get McDavid you keep what we have and go from there. I see no point in a 6 assets for 1 deal after you already have McDavid and Reinhart as your centers of the future. Plus eventually your going to have pay these guys HUGE contracts. On the flip side I would do Grigorenko, Zadarov, and Isles 1st for O'Reilly. Then your picking up some veteran presence. Grigs is expendable, Zadarov worries me, and the late first is no big deal. The O'Reilly deal would be contingent on a contract in place something similar to 7 for 42-45 million. So for the flip side, are you assuming that we have Eichel? While that price doesn't seem like enough, O'Reilly only has one year left on his contract so maybe that's about right. I'm not sure it's "legal" to have an agreement with a player/agent ahead of time (although I'm sure it happens). The problem I worry about is, based on past history, ROR is going to want some exorbitant amount of money to re-sign, I'd guess $8M. he's good, but is he *that* good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 So for the flip side, are you assuming that we have Eichel? While that price doesn't seem like enough, O'Reilly only has one year left on his contract so maybe that's about right. I'm not sure it's "legal" to have an agreement with a player/agent ahead of time (although I'm sure it happens). The problem I worry about is, based on past history, ROR is going to want some exorbitant amount of money to re-sign, I'd guess $8M. he's good, but is he *that* good? The player's current team can grant permission to speak to the agent before the trade is made. Would they do that? If it could help them get more in return, probably. I also think O'Reilly will sign in the $6.5-7 million range long term. Hell, of the Avs weren't on an internal budget structured around Duchene's contract, he'd probably already be locked up long term at $6.5MM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 He's gonna be - uh - real good methinks. The top forward selected usually is. Also, don't let NS see this, as they have Ehlers ranked #2 behind Reinhart. Seems all his shouting wasn't for nothing. Too late ... ;) MEIER!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 (edited) Too late ... ;) MEIER!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s Edited April 15, 2015 by Tchaikovsky по Boyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 (edited) Too late ... ;) MEIER!! I think I fixed it above. I guess I'll just leave the youtube posting to Liger in the future :ph34r: Edited April 15, 2015 by Tchaikovsky по Boyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotentPowerPlay22 Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 If Sabres get 1st overall pick they draft McDavid. Murray then trades the following: Mikhail Grigorenko Marcus Foligno Nikita Zadorov Hudson Fasching Islanders 1st round pick 2015 Sabres 1st in 2016 (Potential lottery pick if they don't make playoffs) For Jack Eichel Sign Free Agents RW Michael Frolik, RW Chris Stewart, and D Justin Schultz Possible Line combinations Kane (23)- McDavid (19) - Girgensen (21) Ennis (25)- Eichel (19)- Frolik (27) Moulson (31)- Reinhart (19)- Gionta (36) Deslauriers (24)- Larsson (22)- Stewart (27) Defense Risto (20)- Gorges (30) Schultz (24)- Bogosian (24) McCabe (21) - Pysyk (23) Weber (27) Too much for Eichel? Not enough? Too much youth? I think our top two lines would be set for the next 5 years, and they would all grow together. Plus farm hands such as Baptiste and Compher would eventually replace Gionta & Moulson. I think with a little tinkering it could be pulled off. But would we want to... What are you drinking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumblefish Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 I often wonder what it would have been like to be born rich instead of good looking, but we all have our own crosses to bear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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