LastPommerFan Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 I think the scariest thing for fans of the other teams in the AL East is that next season the Yankees might be able to get a hit out of the #2 slot and field a grounder that goes 3' left of second base. That said, super classy last night for the Yank's letting the O's tie it up and the O's tossing him a fat one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 I never watch ESPN or any of the other 24/7/365 overexposed sports "coverage". Therefore during the past few weeks I've heard ten times more whining and bitching from people about having to hear about about Derek Jeter than I've heard Derek Jeter adulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 (edited) So much like Claude I've avoided most sports coverage the last 24 hours. I did have to page through the accounts of DJ's greatness on social media after last nights walk off. Only this morning did I find out it was a freaking single. BTW everyone was gushing I was certain it was a homerun. SMH... Edited September 26, 2014 by inkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 So much like Claude I've avoided most sports coverage the last 24 hours. I did have to page through the accounts of DJ's greatness on social media after last nights walk off. Only this morning did I find out it was a freaking single. BTW everyone was gushing I was certain it was a homerun. SMH... A single to right field is a "Derek Jeter Homerun" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 I think the scariest thing for fans of the other teams in the AL East is that next season the Yankees might be able to get a hit out of the #2 slot and field a grounder that goes 3' left of second base. Nice. I think I'm going to use this to confuse and frustrate my Yankee friends who can't wrap their head around the team not making the playoffs for 3 years and Jeter not having been good for longer than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Nice. I think I'm going to use this to confuse and frustrate my Yankee friends who can't wrap their head around the team not making the playoffs for 3 years and Jeter not having been good for longer than that. There was no convincing any Yankee fan that I know that he was killing them defensively for decent span. Analytics had him rated in the bottom third during that stretch. Great player, nice career, probably should have been at 1st or DH for the last 5 years. Now try explaining that Jeter wouldn't have had all these post season moments of greatness if he didn't have Hall of Famers up and down the lineup for the last 2 decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 It was an awesome moment from a rare "breath of fresh air" player who stuck with one franchise for 20 years. For all the hate he's getting you would think he slapped his wife and not a game-winning single. Great moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 It was an awesome moment from a rare "breath of fresh air" player who stuck with one franchise for 20 years. For all the hate he's getting you would think he slapped his wife and not a game-winning single. Great moment. Mostly my crusade is a preemptive strike declaring that Jeter is Not Cal Ripken, Jr. He was not the Offensive Player Cal was, he was not even close to the Defensive Player Cal was, he is on par as a person and ambassador for the game. Jeter is a first ballot hall of famer and was sorely needed to be the face of the franchise that was the face of the sport at a time when its image was absolutely crumbling. An awesome "right guy, right place, right time" situation. But Baseball is a sport of history and comparison, and Jeter is going to be compared to the great shortstops of all time. He's not even close to the greatest shortstop to play the game in the last 25 years. That's what makes baseball special: history. Derek Jeter is a hugely important part of that history, but he doesn't get on Rushmore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubkev Posted September 28, 2014 Report Share Posted September 28, 2014 That's what makes baseball special: history. Derek Jeter is a hugely important part of that history, but he doesn't get on Rushmore. Neither does Ripken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted September 28, 2014 Report Share Posted September 28, 2014 Neither does Ripken. Beyond the Iron Man Streak, He's the best shortstop to play the game in last 100 years. Rushmore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubkev Posted September 28, 2014 Report Share Posted September 28, 2014 Beyond the Iron Man Streak, He's the best shortstop to play the game in last 100 years. Rushmore. Blah blah blah .276 career avg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted September 28, 2014 Report Share Posted September 28, 2014 Blah blah blah .276 career avg. Ok. Batting average. I see where your coming from. He's the best shortstop to play the game in the last 100 years. Rushmore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubkev Posted September 28, 2014 Report Share Posted September 28, 2014 Ok. Batting average. I see where your coming from. He's the best shortstop to play the game in the last 100 years. Rushmore. So you think he's one of the greatest 4 players of all time? Come on man! I need to know the other 3 guys on your mountain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted September 28, 2014 Report Share Posted September 28, 2014 So you think he's one of the greatest 4 players of all time? Come on man! I need to know the other 3 guys on your mountain. I'd put 9 on for baseball, and he gets the shortstop slot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubkev Posted September 28, 2014 Report Share Posted September 28, 2014 Then rename your mountain. There are only 4 guys on Rushmore and he is not one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted September 28, 2014 Report Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) Then rename your mountain. There are only 4 guys on Rushmore and he is not one of them. I'll rename it the Mount Rushmore of Baseball, and I think most Americans will understand why there's nine guys up there. Edited September 28, 2014 by Glass Case Of Emotion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnkirishone Posted September 28, 2014 Report Share Posted September 28, 2014 I'll rename it the Mount Rushmore of Baseball, and I think most Americans will understand why there's nine guys up there. can we put it in iowa? Easier for me to ignore if it is there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 can we put it in iowa? Easier for me to ignore if it is there Right next the the Field of Dreams would be perfect, except, mountains in Iowa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 (edited) Depends on if you think Mount Rushmore for sports is about honor, what they meant to the game or how good they were. I'll do mine completely ignoring honor and mixing the last two... Time to get ripped apart (remember it's about ability and what you meant to the game): Babe Ruth, Jackie Robinson, Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds. If we're going with the honor route them: Babe Ruth, Jackie Robinson, Willie Mays and Cy Young. Edited September 29, 2014 by Tankalicious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyldnwoody44 Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 Chipper Jones, nolan ryan, Honus Wagner, and Ken Griffey Jr. I really just can't get into baseball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny DangerFace Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 There was no convincing any Yankee fan that I know that he was killing them defensively for decent span. Analytics had him rated in the bottom third during that stretch. Great player, nice career, probably should have been at 1st or DH for the last 5 years. Now try explaining that Jeter wouldn't have had all these post season moments of greatness if he didn't have Hall of Famers up and down the lineup for the last 2 decades. I think the true spot where Jeter should be on the greatness spectrum is halfway between where yankees fans would put him and where you would put him. His career stats and all time rank Games played: 2,747 (26th)At-bats: 11,195 (7th) Runs: 1,923 (9th) Average: .309 (77th - tied) Hits: 3,465 (6th) Total bases: 4,921 (21st) Doubles: 544 (29th) Triples: 66 (433rd - tied) Home runs: 260 (189th - tied) RBI: 1,311 (104th - tied) Walks: 1,082 (85th) Strikeouts: 1,840 (85th) Stolen bases: 358 (103rd) Caught stealing: 97 (126th - tied) On-base percentage: .377 (128th - tied) Slugging percentage: .440 (296th - tied) OPS: .817 (212th - tied) I think he is over-rated for sure, just because people rate him as a top 10 player of all time. Definitely a HOFer though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 Speaking of Honus Wagner: Cal Ripken isn't the best SS of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny DangerFace Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 Speaking of Honus Wagner: Cal Ripken isn't the best SS of all time. Its tough to compare players none of us were alive to see :w00t: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 Its tough to compare players none of us were alive to see :w00t: But if you're talking all-time you can't just ignore older generations. At least not in baseball. Basketball is easier to ignore older generations, but you can't do it with baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny DangerFace Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 But if you're talking all-time you can't just ignore older generations. At least not in baseball. Basketball is easier to ignore older generations, but you can't do it with baseball. I agree with you, but I don't know how you would go about doing it properly. You can't compare them statistically as the two eras are so drastically different. You can't compare them using the eyeball test as none of us saw them play. That's why when it comes to baseball I think you need to separate the two eras. All time greats from different eras, no cross comparisons haha. I mean trying to compare jeter to a SS a hundred years ago is tough one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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