waldo Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Win, lose or draw. It will be interesting to watch. Kassian Adam Vanek would be fun to see Note to Ryan: Stay in the blue ice when under pressure. Deep is good for this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolignosJock Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Numbers don't tell the whole story. Despite what appears to be good hockey on the stats sheet, I find his mistakes come at crucial times and that the plays he doesn't make hurt the team more than the plays he does. It's not a feeling I can explain away with stats. It's a quality judgment. I simply do not like the hockey that he plays. Huh? Huh? Nevermind, bolding it helped me read it correctly. That sentence mixed up my brain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dEnnis the Menace Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Numbers don't tell the whole story. Despite what appears to be good hockey on the stats sheet, I find his mistakes come at crucial times and that the plays he doesn't make hurt the team more than the plays he does. It's not a feeling I can explain away with stats. It's a quality judgment. I simply do not like the hockey that he plays. 1) I agree that his turnovers wouldn't be as hurtful if he wasn't on the blue line 2) I wholeheartedly agree with this post. It's tough to explain, but everytime he is on the ice, I feel as if he is a major liability because he will either pass to the other team when he should've shot or held the puck, or he'll just blindly pass to get out of pressure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frissonic Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 i'm surprised that no one has mentioned that the two foligno brothers are going to be playing against each other for the first time as NHL contenders. unless i'm missing something, this is is the first game that nick and marcus will match up against each other. to me, that's a pretty interesting sub-plot to the game. with mike foligno being let go by anaheim last month, i wonder if there's any discussion about bringing him on board the sabres organization in some capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dEnnis the Menace Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 i'm surprised that no one has mentioned that the two foligno brothers are going to be playing against each other for the first time as NHL contenders. unless i'm missing something, this is is the first game that nick and marcus will match up against each other. to me, that's a pretty interesting sub-plot to the game. with mike foligno being let go by anaheim last month, i wonder if there's any discussion about bringing him on board the sabres organization in some capacity. I'm pretty excited to see the Foligno brothers against each other. and it will DEFINITELY be an interesting sub-plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaFontaineToMogilny Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 i'm surprised that no one has mentioned that the two foligno brothers are going to be playing against each other for the first time as NHL contenders. unless i'm missing something, this is is the first game that nick and marcus will match up against each other. to me, that's a pretty interesting sub-plot to the game. with mike foligno being let go by anaheim last month, i wonder if there's any discussion about bringing him on board the sabres organization in some capacity. Is there hope of a brother on brother fight like when the Primeaus tussled many moons ago? That was pretty funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Nick has been banged up the last few games, so I wonder if his play will be affected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Gragnani seems to be a popular whipping boy. While I don't feel one way or the other about him, I would like to hear his critics explain the fact that he currently leads the team in plus-minus by a healthy margin. +/- is not a good stat to judge how well or bad a player is playing. You just have to watch the games to see that he is not playing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Is there hope of a brother on brother fight like when the Primeaus tussled many moons ago? That was pretty funny. I recall that Primeau vs Primeau fight to be a sad, sad sight. Primeau the Younger was doing all he could against Primeau the Elder and Elder was just toying with him, trying very hard not to have to actually hit him. I'd rather see Foligno the Younger tussle with someone else on that squad than see Primeau vs Primeau all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frissonic Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 agreed. brother vs. brother is never a pretty thing to witness. that primeau fight was ... ugh. i'd hate to see the foligno brother go at it. what i think would be awesome is if one of them started fighting, and then the brother jumped in and started pummeling the guy that was beating on the sibling. cuz, you know ... family first. except it's hockey, and they're getting paid to play another team--not kick the crap out of their own team. so i guess the best case scenario would be no fighting for either of them? maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marine0369 Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 sabres suck. end of thread. i feel better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaFontaineToMogilny Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 I recall that Primeau vs Primeau fight to be a sad, sad sight. Primeau the Younger was doing all he could against Primeau the Elder and Elder was just toying with him, trying very hard not to have to actually hit him. I'd rather see Foligno the Younger tussle with someone else on that squad than see Primeau vs Primeau all over again. I recall it as very funny. The whole fight seemed like it happened out of accident more than anything else like something they felt they both had to go through with though they really didn't want to. In the end a fight not much worse than the bust ups that happens between brothers every single day. The best part of it was that Keith had to call his mom after the game to apologize for fighting with his brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Gragnani seems to be a popular whipping boy. While I don't feel one way or the other about him, I would like to hear his critics explain the fact that he currently leads the team in plus-minus by a healthy margin. You have to be careful when looking at purely quantitative analysis. While he does lead the team in +/-, it's important to look at it qualitatively as well. Someone posted a link earlier showing that most of MAG's playing time has come against the third liners of the other team, as well as powerplay time. By playing his pairing against the weakest opposition, you get a lower chance of being scored on and a higher chance of scoring compared to highly skilled opponents. It is the same argument as when Vanek was +47 a few years back playing on the third line of a stacked sabres team. When MAG is getting equal playing time as AHL call-ups (which includes his added PP time) that shows that he does not have the confidence of LR to play in all situations. Nick has been banged up the last few games, so I wonder if his play will be affected. Hopefully he doesn't get injured tonight adding to the cap casualties of AHL players being hurt at the NHL level and being unable to be sent down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dEnnis the Menace Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 You have to be careful when looking at purely quantitative analysis. While he does lead the team in +/-, it's important to look at it qualitatively as well. Someone posted a link earlier showing that most of MAG's playing time has come against the third liners of the other team, as well as powerplay time. By playing his pairing against the weakest opposition, you get a lower chance of being scored on and a higher chance of scoring compared to highly skilled opponents. It is the same argument as when Vanek was +47 a few years back playing on the third line of a stacked sabres team. When MAG is getting equal playing time as AHL call-ups (which includes his added PP time) that shows that he does not have the confidence of LR to play in all situations. Hopefully he doesn't get injured tonight adding to the cap casualties of AHL players being hurt at the NHL level and being unable to be sent down... Nick = Ottawa; Marcus = Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 MAG is a scratch per Paul Hamsammich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kishoph Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Ruff says Miller starting tonight. So I guess we won't see Jessie Pegula in the nets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Nick = Ottawa; Marcus = Buffalo Whoops :oops: (my point is still valid though) MAG is a scratch per Paul Hamsammich. :worthy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 MAG is a scratch per Paul Hamsammich. Music to my eyes. So I guess we won't see Jessie Pegula in the nets. :clapping: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dEnnis the Menace Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 So I guess we won't see Jessie Pegula in the nets. :w00t: :w00t: Well played Whoops :oops: (my point is still valid though) haha true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Nick = Ottawa; Marcus = Buffalo I have wanted to see a trade that would make it Nick & Marcus = Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Is there hope of a brother on brother fight like when the Primeaus tussled many moons ago? That was pretty funny. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB2z_mdIQ3k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dEnnis the Menace Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 I have wanted to see a trade that would make it Nick & Marcus = Buffalo lol honestly, same here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted December 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 i'm surprised that no one has mentioned that the two foligno brothers are going to be playing against each other for the first time as NHL contenders. unless i'm missing something, this is is the first game that nick and marcus will match up against each other. to me, that's a pretty interesting sub-plot to the game. with mike foligno being let go by anaheim last month, i wonder if there's any discussion about bringing him on board the sabres organization in some capacity. Mike is in Ottawa to watch the kids tonight. I'm sure Mrs. Foligno will be looking down from upstairs as well. :angel: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Merry xmas everybody, im out of action for awhile with an injury so i cant type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Merry xmas everybody, im out of action for awhile with an injury so i cant type. XB -- Merry xmas to you too and I'm sure that I speak for everyone in saying that I hope it's nothing serious. Get well soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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