rickshaw Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Hank has to go. It's clear his head isn't in it any longer. The kids need to play, so let them play. You know Myers won't take any shifts off, can't say the same for Hank. I really hoped he'd changes his spots, but his effort on the Leafs 2nd goal was downright embarrassing. Cut him, take the hit and move on. Sometimes you gotta just let go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Releasing him will cost the Sabres 2/3 of his salary. I think it will still count against the cap for the next 2 years. So that's roughly 2 mil per for a non-roster player. Can they even afford to do that while paying his replacement? It would have to be Myers or Weber because they make less than the difference between Hank current salary and 2/3 of his salary, roughly 1 million dollars. If the front office thought about it that way then maybe they would cut him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VansTheMans Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Releasing him will cost the Sabres 2/3 of his salary. I think it will still count against the cap for the next 2 years. So that's roughly 2 mil per for a non-roster player. Can they even afford to do that while paying his replacement? It would have to be Myers or Weber because they make less than the difference between Hank current salary and 2/3 of his salary, roughly 1 million dollars. Tallinder only has a cap hit of 2.5 million per season. However, he makes 3.25 this year (the final year of his contract). If we were to buy him out of his contract, what would that entail? Im a little fuzzy on the exact details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 If the front office thought about it that way then maybe they would cut him. I actually think I did the math wrong. The CBA says 2/3 his salary over twice the contract, so 2/3 of his salary is 2 million spread over 2 years (last year of his deal, is only 1 mill per year. Get rid of him now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VansTheMans Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 I actually think I did the math wrong. The CBA says 2/3 his salary over twice the contract, so 2/3 of his salary is 2 million spread over 2 years (last year of his deal, is only 1 mill per year. Get rid of him now! :thumbsup: Begin the revolution. Let's throw some economic reasoning behind ditching Tallinder: The opportunity cost of Tallinder is Tyler Myers. 'Nuff said. B-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickshaw Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 :thumbsup: Begin the revolution. Let's throw some economic reasoning behind ditching Tallinder: The opportunity cost of Tallinder is Tyler Myers. 'Nuff said. B-) Pack Tallinder's bags, take the cap hit, pay Myers and after one season it's a wash. Upside. Myers learns how to play in the bigs, Tallinder is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Releasing him will cost the Sabres 2/3 of his salary. I think it will still count against the cap for the next 2 years. So that's roughly 2 mil per for a non-roster player. Can they even afford to do that while paying his replacement? It would have to be Myers or Weber because they make less than the difference between Hank current salary and 2/3 of his salary, roughly 1 million dollars. It's the right move, but it's still flushing $2.35MM. I'd be very surprised if the Sabres did this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VansTheMans Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 If we miss the playoffs due to Tallinder's lackluster play, it'll cost the Sabres more than Tallinder's washed 2.35 mill salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Geez, nobody ever pays attention to my tables/graphs. I've posted this about five times: Due to the increasing salary, he gets a very low cap hit this year. Basically, the Sabres overpaid (in cap hits) for him over the past three seasons and, therefore, get a refund (again, in cap.) Buying him out would give them over $2 million in cap space this year, but would add just over $1 million next year. These calcs are "clearly" laid out in the CBA. :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Geez, nobody ever pays attention to my tables/graphs. I've posted this about five times: Due to the increasing salary, he gets a very low cap hit this year. Basically, the Sabres overpaid (in cap hits) for him over the past three seasons and, therefore, get a refund (again, in cap.) Buying him out would give them over $2 million in cap space this year, but would add just over $1 million next year. These calcs are "clearly" laid out in the CBA. :thumbsup: I read your charts. I cherish them. However, I think the Sabres are more focused on avoiding the flushing of actual cash than on avoiding the flushing of cap space. Your chart, as powerful and concise as it is, tragically focuses on the cap hit and not salary. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Maybe they just need Tony Robbins to talk to him. Worked for Lance Armstrong. I agree with deluca, the problem's with his head, not his skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Geez, nobody ever pays attention to my tables/graphs. I've posted this about five times: Due to the increasing salary, he gets a very low cap hit this year. Basically, the Sabres overpaid (in cap hits) for him over the past three seasons and, therefore, get a refund (again, in cap.) Buying him out would give them over $2 million in cap space this year, but would add just over $1 million next year. These calcs are "clearly" laid out in the CBA. :thumbsup: The chart doesn't take into account the Sabres' unwillingness to admit mistakes. Tallinder's cap hit/salary could be a dollar and the Sabres still wouldn't dump him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FogBat Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 I know negative. Sir, you were not negative. This is negative. As far as Tallinder. His problems are not the injuries or deteriorating skills. Tallinder's problem is that fear has crept inside his game. He plays with such a pronounced fear of getting injured that it effects every aspect of his game. He rushes passes to avoid defenders baring down on him. He spins away from contact in the corners freely giving the puck away. Any physicality that may have been a part of his game is gone. A new contract, new coach or new team can't drive that fear away. This may not only be his last year with the Sabers. It is more than likely his last in the NHL. No team is going to waste cap space on a player who skates scared. I wouldn't say this is negative at all. In fact, I think it's spot on, including the prognostication that this may actually be his last year in the NHL. With that much negative consensus toward one player in particular, that doesn't bode well for him at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 However, I think the Sabres are more focused on avoiding the flushing of actual cash than on avoiding the flushing of cap space. Your chart, as powerful and concise as it is, tragically focuses on the cap hit and not salary. The chart doesn't take into account the Sabres' unwillingness to admit mistakes. Tallinder's cap hit/salary could be a dollar and the Sabres still wouldn't dump him. Both legitimate arguments. However, I should point out, free, that since both cap and actual salary are bolded, one can't really say that it is focused on cap any more than on salary. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stenbaro Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 The chart doesn't take into account the Sabres' unwillingness to admit mistakes. Tallinder's cap hit/salary could be a dollar and the Sabres still wouldn't dump him. Dont bet any money on Tallinder being on this team much more longer...His clock struck midnite one way or the other... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Dont bet any money on Tallinder being on this team much more longer...His clock struck midnite one way or the other... When is the last time this front office dumped a player under contract before the trade deadline? If they couldn't bring themselves to dump Max why would you think Tallinder would be treated any differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 When is the last time this front office dumped a player under contract before the trade deadline? If they couldn't bring themselves to dump Max why would you think Tallinder would be treated any differently. Kotalik? Campbell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Kotalik? Campbell? Quiet. Logic has no place here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Kotalik? Campbell? Biron? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 I think DeLuca meant BEFORE the trade deadline(as in October to January), not AT the trade deadline(as in mid-February). I could be wrong though...you never know what DeLuca is "really" thinking. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 I think DeLuca meant BEFORE the trade deadline(as in October to January), not AT the trade deadline(as in mid-February). I could be wrong though...you never know what DeLuca is "really" thinking. :lol: Well, technically, they were all done before the deadline. He should have been more specific about how far before he meant. Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? :nana: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 I think DeLuca meant BEFORE the trade deadline(as in October to January), not AT the trade deadline(as in mid-February). I could be wrong though...you never know what DeLuca is "really" thinking. :lol: You put the wrong word in quotes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Going back to the buyout move, I always get caught up in the numbers and forget the fact that you can't buy a player out during the season. There are only two points where you can buy a player out and both are during the Summer (around July 1 and after arbitration.) Tallinder cannot be bought out by the Sabres, anymore. They can trade him (if they can find a trade partner) or waive him, but unless he is picked up by another team on the way down, they are on the hook for at least half of his salary. Actually, barring a trade, the best choice may be to waive him and hope he's picked up. On the way down would be nice, but more likely, he would be claimed on reentry waivers, leaving the Sabres on the hook for half of his salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Dont bet any money on Tallinder being on this team much more longer...His clock struck midnite one way or the other... How do you define "much longer"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Going back to the buyout move, I always get caught up in the numbers and forget the fact that you can't buy a player out during the season. There are only two points where you can buy a player out and both are during the Summer (around July 1 and after arbitration.) Tallinder cannot be bought out by the Sabres, anymore. They can trade him (if they can find a trade partner) or waive him, but unless he is picked up by another team on the way down, they are on the hook for at least half of his salary. Actually, barring a trade, the best choice may be to waive him and hope he's picked up. On the way down would be nice, but more likely, he would be claimed on reentry waivers, leaving the Sabres on the hook for half of his salary. I was trying to find that buyout period the other day. Searching the CBA for "buyout" didn't help at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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