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That may be the case but there are players in Rochester that can be called up to fill those roles. I'm not sold on Ott being suspended. Kaleta getting hurt? Sure.. that's got history on his side. If you send down McCormick and keep calling him up you run the risk of someone picking him up sure.. but what are the odds? If you want someone to fill in a skating role on the 4th line move up Sekera or play Brennan there and let Weber play on defense.. (yea, I said it).

If there's a trade to be had it will be at the deadline when a team that has no shot is willing to give up a player. The problem is that every team will be looking for someone like Getzlaf and that will drive up the price. Not saying you don't pay it.. just that it won't be easy to get.

While it irritates me a bit under the skin it's not enough to get me upset. If Rob Ray sucked at the job then I would be more upset but I really like his input on things.

I think right now it would be fair to say that he's down the depth chart at Center if you need a guy who you know is responsible and reliable in the position. If you are looking for the "game manager" type player and not someone too dynamic. Hecht, Leino, and Ott all present a more reliable and responsible choice at the position but certainly not the dynamics. This isn't to say that Grigorenko has not been reliable. In fact I like his positioning and he's been down low making some good defensive plays in the past two games (last night especially). Right now I think he 's staying. I think the option to have him in the lineup for the year and filling in a top 6 position if needed is too important to pass up. If you look at who the Sabres have to move to make room it's not real difficult. They can send down Ellis and McCormick. They probably would both clear and if not it's not a big loss at this point. The Sabres have Foligno, Scott, Kaleta, and Ott. Role players are easier to find than skill players. So, you send down Ellis and McCormick (when he returns). Do they need to send anyone else? Brennan, Weber, and Leino are the 21-23 players on the roster at the moment. If you send down Ellis you are down to 22 and can bring Gerbe into the mix. Did I miss someone or something?

Three Heads Brewing Too Kind for me. Whatever. The guy spoke honestly about what happened. If he said he's going to drop the gloves every night then he'd have every pest trying to get him to take a penalty. I don't care what people say, I care what people do. I saw Stafford go after Hartnell. Regardless of what happens next he's shown that he's willing to do it. He did follow up his words with the simple statement that we are holding each other accountable. He felt like he needed to do something, perhaps next time he won't need to feel that way because someone else on the Sabres has dropped the gloves or better yet, people just stop taking runs at guys because they know to a man the Sabres will react. If you hate the guy then just hate him and get it over with. At least he's willing to put a body on people, he showed that last year. If you want him to be the second incarnation of Keith Tkachuk you've gotten yourself a bit off base.

The Sabres are set. Porter and Tarnasky are risks. Pardy has had 4 days of play with this team so losing him is not the end of the world. If he clears, great. If not, so be it. This allows them to keep Grigorenko for his 5 games and if he sticks they have to make another move to clear a spot if/when they bring back Gerbe or McCormick. The most likely would be Ellis I would imagine. If they both come back then I'd bet McCormick gets waived. Right now they are doing just fine. It all tracks. It was doubtful that there would be a trade market today but I'm sure if Regier were making calls he'd be telling other GMs that he's not sure who he's waiving so if you want one of my D men you have to trade to make sure you'll get him.

Extremely valid point.. :) Boston had one bad season around that time..

I'm not sold on that. There are teams that have hovered around the bottom for a long time and have nothing to show for it. Perhaps it depends on when you bottom out. Still, I look at Edmonton as the perfect example. They've been bouncing around the cellar for 4-5 years now and while they've acquired quite a bit of talent it doesn't seem to have transitioned into anything meaningful. The same is true with teams like Columbus, Florida, etc. Meanwhile, a team like Detroit barely suffers a let down and keeps rolling year after year, same with Philly, NYR, and a few others. In some cases you get lucky like Pittsburgh did. They bottomed out at the perfect time and ended up with Crosby and Malkin. Washington nabbed Ovechkin but he alone didn't rescue that team. Boston got Seguin but it was the addition of a few other players around him that really boosted the team. I think what we hope for is the Sabres to have that one forward that is considered a scoring threat every time the skates touch the ice. The best the Sabres have in that department is Vanek and he doesn't usually bring people out of their seats. The only player who I think consistently excites people is Ennis but he's not proven to be that scoring threat every time. When Ennis was on his game last year there was a noted anticipation of what he was going to make happen on the ice. If we could get a "Vannis" then perhaps people would feel better overall. :) Outside of that I think people want that blue-collar leader guy. Thus the reason people want someone like Brown so badly. I think the Sabres have their own guy already, Foligno. Normally I wouldn't say such a think about a player even given the run he went on last year but you look at where he comes from and you can immediately see that his Dad has a major influence on him. Watching him play in Rochester you see a few little things that happen. The Amerks would start to falter a bit, getting trapped in their end, etc. You'd see Foligno get on the ice and you'd feel a change in mentality. He'd make sure to finish every check (even a few he maybe shouldn't have) and through his play would almost instill a new determination in his team. That's natural leadership and I think he has it.. just like his Dad. it doesn't hurt to now have Ott in the lineup to keep Foligno honest. So.. what does any of this have to do with trades? No idea. All we know at the moment is that they HAVE to lose a player, through waiver or trade. I wouldn't buy anyone out as that just wastes money. They still have to remain under the roster limit so a 1 for 1 trade doesn't accomplish much unless you can send that player to the minors without waivers. I still think Sekera is gone now and if Brennan plays up to par they would move Leopold at the deadline (depending on where they are in standings). I'd rather keep a solid D man like Leopold for a playoff run and lose him for nothing than not have him... unless Brennan makes him replaceable.

He absolutely needs to clear waivers, and he never would. What I was saying is that in the past he didn't have to clear so he was constantly bumped back down in favor of a player who would have to clear waivers. Now that he's reached the point in his career where he has to clear it's forced the Sabres hand. In my opinion the most likely to move are Leopold, Sekera, or Regehr. All of them have experience which is desired in the shortened season and none of them are irreplaceable. Pardy has size as does McNabb (regardless of current development). Brennan, Gauthier-Leduc, Pysyk all have relatively good offensive upsides. Waiving Weber doesn't seem likely, although that might be the last possibility. His relationship with Ott notwithstanding I think the Sabres like having him as the 7/8 D-man. Ruff stated in one interview that he is leaning towards increased playing time for his top 3 lines and using the 4th as a fill-in/specialist line. Interesting concept and one that would seem to fit the idea that you could play Grigorenko more minutes on the 3rd line and retain Hecht in minimal 4th line minutes but throw him out on the PK. If you go down that road you end up with something like this: Vanek - Hodgson - Pominville Stafford - Ennis - Foligno Ott - Grigorenko - Leino Kaleta/Gerbe - Hecht - Scott/McCormick Ehrhoff - Sulzer Myers - Sekera Brennan - Regehr/Pardy/Weber I'll admit I did not look at the "handedness" of the D.. just threw it out there. I might also be missing someone up front.. hey.. so be it. :)

So, if I followed the past few pages properly.. Lindy Ruff ruined Brennan and we are trading Adam for Leopold and a draft pick who may or may not clear waivers? I think I got something confused... :) I encourage people to think about the trade scenario another way... if you look at the Sabres as they are.. today, with a shortened training camp and a lot of guys not playing during the offseason do you consider them legitimate deep playoff run contenders? Probably not. So, why would you trade Brennan? Leopold is in the final year of his contract and in a shortened season probably has more value to a team than buying the potential of Brennan. Sekera has a longer term buy-in and is good for a team who might need something more proven but longer term. Brennan is more of an unknown for every other team in the league. We argue why he didn't make the Sabres yet? There's been some good comments made already on that. But I feel that the Sabres have had some additional D men hanging around and when you are the guy who can be sent down to the AHL with no risk you end up on the short end of the stick. The argument could be made that he's not worth it then.. could be.. the way I look at it is this. If he's considered as good as Leopold and he can be sent to Rochester I am going to send him down. Why? Because if an injury occurs I have a player who is at least as good as Leopold to call up. If I send down Leopold and he gets claimed then I don't have anyone to call up if Brennan gets injured. It's really more playing the odds. It's building depth and now comes the time when that depth forces your hand. There will be a move, there has to be.. so I'm going to wait and see what happens.

That would only be if he was under contract (aka on loan, etc.). Hecht is a UFA... he can sign with anyone at any time right?

In my opinion the game sucks, at least how I play it. I prefer the Be a Pro mode. Rather than go through a CHL season I started in the NHL. I was a Power Forward and was continually getting knocked on my but by 5'8 players that normally don't hit anything. Despite that I was able to ultimately lead the team in scoring and was 2nd in the league in goals (61) and points. I led in +/- as well. Enter the playoffs where I led all scoring categories and +/- even though I kept getting a mild concussion (interesting, I would play out the game but then be taken out of the lineup for 4 days). So, we play the Flyers in the conference finals and I score 2G, 3A in a 5-1 route. I get concussed. I return from the injury only to be sent down to Rochester because I was not performing (still leading the league in scoring despite missing 8 games in the first 3 series. The Amerks are not playing so I'm effectively done for the season. The Sabres go on to lose the Stanley Cup and I get 113xp for the whole season. A complete waste of time. NHL 12, 11, and 9 were never like this. Now let's talk AI. I lead the team in scoring but don't crack the PP unit and am not in shootouts. Defensemen continually ignore the cross-ice pass. This was something that was supposed to be IMPROVED upon in this game and I think it's worse. The physics engine, while a nice idea, does not function well with the Xbox360 limited processing power. There are numerous times where you can feel the game pausing just to calculate what should happen and ultimately what happens is so unrealistic (think guys boucning off the board to center ice) that it's just laughable. I think EA bombed huge on this one. They've got a million other little bugs that I stopped telling them about because there was never ANY response to them. Like my team being #1 on PP with a 53/27 ratio. The team easily had more than 27 PP opportunities and I know for damn sure they weren't scoring on them. This was actually the same bug in NHL 12 as well... I would avoid the game.. it can be fun.. but I wouldn't put a lot of hope into it. Oh.. and despite leading the team in scoring, being 2nd and all that.. I got an amazing $0.7m, 1 year salary offer from the team to stay and that was the best deal I could get. Really? Wow.

Actually with the news coming out that teams can absorb part of the salary cap hit in order to trade away a player this makes moving Leino a bit easier. If there's a prospect to fill the role at a low salary and you can absorb 2-2.5 million cap hit in order to move him perhaps it's the way to go. I'm not saying it would happen and that would be after not opting a buyout on him. My opinion.. he performs like he did last year and he gets bought out. If he steps up he stays on and that's fine too. The Sabres aren't tied to many contracts that are choking them. The Ehrhoff and Myers deals are the most likely of deals and I don't see any reason at this point they would get rid of either. If Myers bombs this year perhaps they buy him out as well? Ultimately it will really depend on what players fit the team and then which remaining players are easier to buy out or potentially trade at what cost. Wait and see as always.. this is why I could never be a sports radio show host.. :)

I agree.. but I also like Hecht when he's in the right role. If he's facing limited minutes per night then he's better off. The upside is that Hecht is a serviceable 2nd liner as well in the event of an injury. With the shortened training camp and with Hecht's status I would expect any signing for him would occur after the Sabres can finish an evaluation of Grigorenko. There's zero need to bring him in during the first 9 games. You know what Hecht has, he's got experience with the team and the system so there's no learning curve. He can easily be signed 10 games into the season if there aren't better options. No need to take on salary you might want elsewhere. Of course Hecht could sign elsewhere too, but that's a risk I would take. A healthy Hecht playing a PK/3rd line center role is something the team could absolutely use, especially for a reasonable salary.

Hamilton is an idiot sometimes, perhaps many times. That's a jackass statement to the nth degree. Even the few games Brennan played in Buffalo he looked light years ahead of Gragnani. I watched Brennan play a game a few weeks ago. He took an elbow from a guy with no call. I watched him clearly pick up the guys number and about 20 seconds later, with that guy standing in front of the Amerks crease and no one around Brennan two handed him across the ankle. It was loud enough that you could hear it throughout the building. He just skated to the penalty box and did his time. I like Brennan.. I like his attitude and his skills. I don't care if he's solid defensively. He's an offensive D and that immediately means he won't be your top +/- guy. He moves the puck and scores. Something that is desperately needed. As for the rest... no comment. We'll see what happens. I can't get into the speculating mode yet.

Demo isn't bad.. I like the new skating system you can get fairly creative moving the puck with it. The physics are nice. The AI is better but eventually we'll all find the flaws and take advantage of it. I'll be buying it.. there's no doubt about that. Curious to see how the GM Connected mode is in this..

Who can they trade to get who you are looking for? Teams don't usually throw away leaders who can score. Those are usually made or signed (for high amounts of money). It's easy to say, but I'm curious who you have in mind here. Certainly.... right now they've not signed Ennis. Hodgson will be an RFA next year.. unless he blows up this year he won't be getting high money and that's a year to develop the two centers the Sabres just drafted. If Hodgson blows up this year then he could be trade bait as well.. I think Vanek will be gone at the trade deadline in 2013-2014 unless the Sabres absolutely need him. He'll be a $7m free agent who probably won't want to take a pay cut.. but some team will want him for the "stretch". I'm not worried about the money... Pominville is probably the one player who will get paid, but he's already at the upper end of his contract, is a lifelong Sabre, and the captain. He'll be in it for the team, might take only about $6m to keep him depending on how he plays and if he improves he'd be worth it. Barring new CBA rules, etc. the cap has gone up each year about $5m. So if that happened next year then the relative cap hit for Doan goes down. It's nothing. I wonder why every team wants him then. Why would the Rangers, who have Nash, Callahan, and Richards want him? Why would Philly who has Giroux, Hartnell, etc. want him? The Canucks who have the Sedins, and more want him? Pittsburgh? Every one of those teams have leaders and players who fit that role and yet everyone wants him? They can't pay as much as the Sabres, but they want him. I'm banking on the fact that in this case it's the stuff under the stats that make a difference. Bottom line, it's a lot of money. It adds the one of the things the Sabres need right now, a veteran leader who is respected league wide. It's not a scoring center.. those don't come along every day either. But it does allow him to influence the next generation of Sabres. How much influence do you think he had on the Coyotes? Their roster isn't that impressive either.. and yet look where they've gone.

Let's see. First, you make an assumption about me. I'll help you out, that's false. I have had the situation and the opportunity and rest assured... I DID do something about it. Second, given your admiration for Mr. Peters (assuming you are not he) I wanted to relay a story. There was a night, in a wine bar in Rochester, where one Mr. Peters made quite the spectacle of himself. The staff had allowed him to hook his iPod up to the sound system and we were treated to the Andrew Peters Playlist. During this time we were also entertained by his singing, and when he felt inclined, his turning around to tell us all that if we didn't like it we should leave. I can only guess he goes there a lot since the staff didn't STOP him.. he's probably a profitable customer. Still, that's the kind of douchbaggery you end up with in life for going down the total thug road. So, if you want to emulate him and insult me go right ahead. I'm quite certain that I'm not about to be insulted by someone like that, nor you. You guessed wrong, dude. It worked well for Bertuzzi... his teammates loved him. Oh wait. Don't bother coming back and telling me how he's still playing, etc. He should have been banned for life. Again, if you have real discipline in the NHL then Bertuzzi doesn't act the way he did.. maybe.. because Matt Cooke wasn't provoked... he still acted like a jack-ass.. his teammates didn't love him either. Oh.. and by the way.. if you watch this video: you'll see those Bruins not responding either. In the end using stupid violence as a response is pointless and serves no purpose. Go out and make the guy a target in the game, take your shots within reason, and ultimately reduce him to a non-factor..

So says you.. but who are you? You are nobody. Are you going to compensate the player for the suspension? Are you going to pay his salary? This is nothing like being in a fight when someone pulls a knife. No one was going to die after Miller was run over. You are talking like hockey is some form of Roman Coliseum event designed for your carnal pleasure. If you want to see people getting split open and bleeding go watch MMA. What happened the last time someone used a stick to injure someone in hockey? http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=100318&page=1#.UCEo-c2PV8G Clearly this would be in the player's best interests of protecting Ryan Miller. In the case of McSorely I think he actually received a lesser sentence simply because it could be argued that he meant to hit him in the shoulder. In the event someone went Dr. Hook on a Bruin you can be absolutely assured that a full fledged felonious assault charge would be applied and would stick. Since you are so tough and so willing to defend Ryan Miller and the honor of the game why didn't you seek out Lucic outside of the hockey rink and assault him? Yea.. that's what I thought. It's not acceptable, it's asinine. Same as above. Kaleta would be suspended for a record number of games and be labeled an even worse offender than he is now. He makes a living playing hockey and regardless of what you want to see he's not going to put that at risk to "make a point". If he intentionally targeted Thomas' head with his elbow he'd probably also face criminal charges, just as Chara did when he ran Pacioretty. It's not a risk worth taking... The perfect response is to go after Lucic after the hit and fight him if necessary. In the game, within the rules, blast their best players with hits. If you can't then you can't. Resorting to criminal activity is not an acceptable response, no matter what.

I don't know.. in this case I wouldn't blame Doan. He's been the face of a franchise that has been struggling since the day it started. The team has not had an owner in 2 years and before that they were a mess. The city doesn't really want them there and the people sure as hell don't care. I don't blame him. Hell, I'm thinking he wants to know IF they are staying in Phoenix and if so he'll LEAVE. That would be an interesting twist now wouldn't it? What if the team were moving to Quebec City? Would he want to stick around then? Much better hockey market! All that said.. if the Sabres offered the high contract then other teams are going to have to get close. They will get their first shot at talking to Doan (I assume the Sabres already pitched the plan). If Doan feels there is a more cup ready contender who is willing to pay the same (or near the same) money I wouldn't blame him for going there. If not then he has to decide if Buffalo is the right offer.. is their money and plan worth leaving Phoenix? If so, he goes. If not he defaults back to Phoenix (who still has to sign him by the way). Is he going to tell Phoenix they need to pay 4years, $30MM? Finally about his age... there was a video posted on his conditioning earlier in this thread and he appeared to be a beast.. well conditioned, etc. Why are we worried about him? Did anyone worry about Recchi? I think Doan is better than Recchi in every way...

Not to mention that to date the cap goes up by about $5m/season each year. So that $5m contract you signed last year (Myers) has no real impact on you the next year. We don't know what a new CBA will bring but I don't believe either side is willing to pay the price from impacting the season. The NHL lost a lot of momentum in 2004 and doing it again could be painful. They all know that, even with the KHL as a possibility. It could be weeks to decide... because frankly this is the end of the line for Doan. Wherever he signs is where is ends his career (barring Recchi syndrome) and that's not an easy decision. When you add to it his years invested in his current franchise and his community involvement it has to be downright painful to try and decide this. We all sit back and look at the money aspects of things but it's not always about the money. I could make more money by moving to a job market with more opportunities but I don't because of community involvement, etc. The amount of respect that Doan gets throughout the league is worth $7.5m per season to a team like Buffalo. You can then tack on his leadership and the fact that he's still a heck of a player. The Coyotes had 2.56 goals per game last season, the Sabres had 2.57 (similar offensive scoring). Doan was 22-28-50, that puts him just behind Vanek and tied with Stafford in total points last season. So, based on last season alone he becomes tied for 3rd highest scoring on the team. Given all of that... there's no reason to NOT go after this guy.

It is... but the Sabres need to sign Ennis first. Not to mention by signing Girgensons today they are probably eyeing a spot for him as well. Sure the AHL is possible but my best guess is he gets up as soon as anyone on that injury-prone 4th line goes down... assuming Kaleta gets signed as well.

It seems like a very high price to pay for Doan. It's a risk.. you aren't paying him for his skill but his leadership and status. If he brings the players up then what's $7.5m for a long playoff run? Secondarily if it signals to other players in the NHL that the Sabres will pay respected veterans for their service in the league then $7.5m isn't too much either. But it's a lot of money to pay a 35 year old player...

So that's how they roll in the 'burgh? You're talking about Nick right?

Thanks for stopping by to share your thoughts on Ott and to learn more about Roy. I'll try to be impartial. First, he's got possibility and I believe that in a system with positive leaders in the locker room he can be shaped into a good hockey player. Buffalo relied upon him to be a leader and that just isn't his thing. His best years were when he had someone like Drury and Briere around to take the pressure off him. Second, in line with the attitude, he's an up and down player. There are times I've seen him hustle his butt to back check and there's other times I've seen him stop to talk to the score keeper on his way back down the ice. When he's hustling, he's good. Third, I think he was burned out in Buffalo... and by many things. I'm not sure how Gulutzan is in Dallas. We'll see how he meshes. Overall, it could be very good for Dallas or you may have just rented a $4m per year player for 1 year who drives you nuts. Time will tell. He's the odd man out in Buffalo...