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Metaphysical Warranty

Based on what we have learned the surgery isn't universally approved in this circumstance. Many doctors agree with the Sabres approach, even Eichel's own original 2nd opinion did. It will always seem unusual to me however that Eichel wanted the surgery immediately after the injury occurred. It has never sat right with me, logically, as to why he wanted to literally have a spinal disk replaced within a week of it getting herniated; seeming to only begrudgingly try a non-surgical rehab after a drawn out fight with the Sabres. I can understand how pain sucks and that fusion surgeries aren't always great in their own right but I honestly see it as unusual that a 24 year old would want to forever alter his spine immediately after it happened. Scenarios I've concocted that could be possible: 1. The surgery demands were meant to get him traded quickly but he underestimated KA's willingness to play hard ball 2. The doctor who would operate on Eichel is trying to use Eichel for some sort of self-gain; and Eichel is none the wiser 3. Eichel started the season with a herniated disk, not a shoulder injury, tried to rehab without alerting the team doctors and then ended up damaging it more in the Isles game. Hence the urge to immediately operate on it as to him it had already been (6 weeks?) I'd imagine hiding a herniated disk isn't exactly easy but with enough pain tolerance and complaints of shoulder pain being the cause; the Sabres doctors wouldn't be really to blame. 4. Eichel is weird, as in he wanted artificial parts in his body for no discernable reason and was just wanting a more legitimate excuse.

Marchand needs to to take a long walk off a short pier

We may have lacked the finish required to win tonight but I applaud how they never stopped. Another solid 3 periods and against teams with less defensive structure that will certainly equate to a few more goals.

I say we tell Hayden to elbow or board Marchand

You can cheer for Ullmark, you just can’t cheer from the Bruins

I have plenty of hate to spread around lol

Mahogany Whippersnappers

Tier 1 Assets: 2022 1st (Top 2 Protected), Drysdale, *(2023 1st (Top 2 Protected))* Tier 2 Assets: Perrault *2023 2nd* Tier 4 Assets/Cap Dumps Henrique The 2023 2nd would have some type of conditions on it related to Eichel's play. If Eichel bounces back fully, the Sabres get 3 Tier 1 assets that cannot be 1st or 2nd Overall in 2022/23, and a Tier 2 Asset along with taking on Henrique's contract. If Eichel takes more time to get back Buffalo gets two Tier 1 pieces, again that can't be 1st/2nd Overall, two Tier 2 pieces along with taking on Henrique's contract. Its akin to potentially getting 4 1sts for Eichel and taking on a 3x6+ mil contract. I don't see that as unfair in the slightest.

Drysdale, Perrault, Henrique, Top 2 Protected 1st and a 2nd that becomes a Top 2 Protected 1st in 2023. I'd be ok with that.

Who’s Johnson and I have little interest in Drysdale because we need a center.

Hagg is a lot like Risto, but not an offensive player. But on the positive he doesn't just throw the puck up the boards at the sight of an opposing player lol.

Sounds like a bad horror film Multi-Grain Whale

Perhaps they planned to flip Hague to LA for Turcotte?

If they are willing to let Eichel have the ADR then I would imagine they would feel the likelihood of a full recovery. Let's put numbers on it I'd say Eichel has a 60% chance of coming back at 100% About 15% chance he's a 2C, 5% of complete failure and 20% chance he comes back lesser than before but still a 1C. Those odds are still better than Krebs has at reaching Eichel. If Krebs has a 35 to 50% chance of being a lesser 1C and Eichel has a 60% chance to be a great 1C and a combined 80% of being the same if not better would that not be in your favor?

I don’t honestly see Krebs ever reaching Eichel’s level. In the end we are stuck in an endless logical loop. 1. Team says they’d let Eichel have ADR. Offer .50 on the dollar. 2. Sabres decline because if the team didn’t believe the surgery would return him to 1C abilities then they wouldn’t of accepted the surgery to begin with. Counters at $1 on the dollar. 3. Team declines saying that they are taking the risk of the surgery so there should be a discount. Continues to offer .50 on the dollar. 4. Buffalo declines saying much like the first iteration, if they feel the risk is that great then why make the trade to begin with. However the Sabres do offer an olive branch at .85 on the dollar. 5. Team continues to harp on risk and contract but raises offer slightly to .60 on the dollar. 6. Sabres counter at .75 and state this is the lowest they’ll go. 7. Team declines thus Buffalo stops general discussions. 8. Time passes and the other team sends another .50 offer and the cycle repeats.

It’s not just for this season though; it’s for the end of this year and 4 additional ones. Even if he ends up forced into a fusion he’d be back for the playoffs this year.

He was in that crossover movie with the Rugrats

The thing is they are trying for a Cup; this isn’t a case of how Anaheim or LAK may have their hang ups. Vegas has tried and failed to win the Cup for 4 years and are held back by their lack of a true 1C. (Karlsson was one for a year) Yes, would they be trading their last blue chipper; technically yes as Brisson is just shy of that. But Krebs isn’t going to be a 1C for at least a couple years if ever. Your odds of Eichel bouncing back are higher than Krebs making a significant impact before Vegas’ core is in their early to mid 30’s. If a team is confident in the surgery; it makes sense to try to lower the price but eventually you need to just pay the piper. What I’m trying to convey is that Vegas, at this point, has spent so many assets that playing conservative now is more detrimental than savvy. All the picks and prospects they have spent already upgrading their team are even worse if they fail to bring home a Cup. VGK is a team literally knocking on the door to winning a Cup; they either need to pack it in and give up on this core, go all in and trade for Eichel, or keep doing what they are doing which will unlikely accomplish anything but stave off mediocrity while never truly threatening for a Cup. If Buffalo was in Vegas’s position exactly and we had 1 blue chip prospect left. I’d ask my doctors about the surgery; and if they said it was likely to work out then I’d take that dive. In the event Eichel fails to return to form, and you still fail; then you deal away the old core, recoup picks and prospects and try again. However if he does return to form he’ll make your team a juggernaut in the Pacific and you’ll be a Cup favorite for at least 4 years. Plus, there’s the opportunity to re-sign Eichel and use him as part of a vet oversight on a new younger core you draft in 23,24 and 25. So yes, I would trade my last blue chip prospect in their specific circumstances.

I'd disagree, if he ends up healthy you get a 1C. If it fails you can easily bury him on LTIR meaning his cap is of no consequence. This team traded a 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd for Tatar and barely used him. For them to be so gun shy now is just odd

Alright Mr. Sarcastic. It's a bit hyperbole to call Vegas entirely stupid but you cannot tell me that trading for a 1C isn't incredibly important. The idiocy comes in the unwillingness to trade Krebs because of supposedly being sad from trading Suzuki Especially seeing as they traded Suzuki, Tatar's cap and a 2nd for a potentially pure rental in Pacioretty. I just see it as unusual they were willing to throw assets around to get wingers but a 1C, they refuse to.

I'm certainly good with that stance. I'm starting to think Vegas may be pretty dumb. They'll spend like drunken sailors for wingers but God forbid pay up for a 1C.

Yup, Miller took a great penalty and Dahlin made the save

Hate ties with a passion OT either 3v3 or 4v4 is good for me. Although I wish they'd go 10 minutes.

The team played hard and deserved the 2 points. Can someone please get Cozens to calm down and simplify his game. He's so determined to replace Eichel offensively that he's over playing the puck. Thankfully his off the puck work is still solid. Dahlin played like a 1D that was a #1 Pick. He actually played as a RD most of the night and slowly seemed to get a grip on Butcher's strengths and weaknesses.