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Nah. He's a bust. He wouldn't make this team, either. He always was going to be a bust.

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The Spittin' Chiclets guys had Tkachuk on, and Tkachuk was saying he feels sorry for the Leafs because they live in such a high-pressure fish bowl. Also, I think there's a lot of truth in this: So, the question becomes: if Marner were to go to another team, does he learn from his experience in Toronto and figure out how to compete in the playoffs in another, more chill market? If he can do that, then what's to stop the Sabres from trying to get him?

The nice thing about the Bryam situation is he’s still under team control next year. So if Adams doesn’t find the right trade he can sit and wait.

I'd sign Marner if possible. I don't think we'll be able to sadly.

I do. It's not 2006 anymore. The league had new rules and Buffalo was able to exploit them. It's 20yrs later under the cap system, everyone adjusted. This one thing worked this one time, so 20yrs later we should do it again. If it was going to work it would have last year. The leagues changed, development has changed. We gotta let 2005 go.

Okay, we can disagree.

The portion of the online Sabres fan base that doesn't want Marner because he allegedly underperforms in the playoffs is unfathomable to me. I would throw my back out doing a nekkid happy dance* if the Sabres were to somehow sign that guy. And, imo, you would be able to book the Sabres for a playoff berth. *In the privacy of my own home.

We have some players that look playoff ready: Tuch, Thompson, Zucker, Greenway, Malenstein, Benson, Kulich--if he keeps his head up--and McLovin, while I'd be a afriad that Quinn and Peterka might get run over.

Ya, I watch almost no western conference games so I can't relate. Everyone is questioning JJP's defensive game, but what about his forechecking? That's just as important in tipping the ice in our direction and I don't consider him a real grinder at all. Samson does well enough in that, maybe JJP gets better?

He didn't miss your point. Like me, he just disagrees with it. The whole, "some fans will just never be happy" is pure BS.

From the JJP thread I think this applies to all of the Sabres forwards that have developed in the system. There is simply no data on them relative to the NHL playoffs. Who will be a lion and who will be a mouse?

“What are you trying to tell me? That I can dodge goalposts?” “No, Neo. I'm trying to tell you that when you're ready, you won't have to.” The truth of the matter is there’s a level of Final Boss fan evolved well beyond the matter of simply moving goalposts. They’ve eliminated them entirely: the logic being the rather gaslighting tact of claiming the level of fan satisfaction wouldn’t change regardless of the result, therefore rendering results in effect meaningless. Ie if you can’t be happy with the team as is, you never will anyways.

That guy would not come here in ONE MILLION years, nor would anyone else with that kind of talent.

I think JJP compares to Nik Ehlers. I don’t know if there is another level to his game, maybe, but defensive ability has room to grow for sure. I didn’t watch all of Winnipeg’s games but Ehlers game seemed to translate OK.

Perhaps, we may never find out.

I don't see much difference between John's proposed line and the Vanek, Roy, Max line from 2005/6. Entering that season: Vanek (age 21) 0 NHL games , Roy (age 22) 49 games w 19 pts, and Max (age 26) 332gms w 152 pts. Entering next season: Quinn (age 24) 178 gms w 97 pts, Kulich (age 21) 63 gms w 24 pts & JJP (age 23) 238 gms w 150 pts

If we can add another Zucker and Tuch like players to the roster this offseason it will result in a lot of line flexibility and depth. Assuming that these youngsters are kept, a lot is riding on them maturing and getting better.

Here we go... Wonder if Florida will have the legs to deal with Carolina tonight.

Too much youth imo. I'd want at least Zucker of Tuch taking a wing spot. Kulich is basically a sophomore next year.

A Quinn/Kulich/Peterka line appeals to me. All players on the line can shoot and skate. Not sure if I would want them as our second line. They would make for an interesting third line.

Sabres br(ass) love at least three kinds of fans: 1. The believers in youth turning into something in five year plans that would make the Soviet Politburo proud; 2. People who hate Leaf fans so much they buy season tickets in order to sell tickets to Leaf fans; 3. Goalpost movers who are prepared to say gotcha and organize a parade if the Sabres ever just make the playoffs, which was literally never the goal, from Darcy to Kevyn.

In general. I disagree with your take but do heartedly agree with you about the poor roster construction and the necessity to add more grit and toughness to the roster. But let's be realistic about our talent base and player roles with a substandard team. I like Benson a lot but on any credible team he would not be playing on the first line. The same judgment applies to Peterka who also did play on the first line. There are no upper tier teams that would have had him playing on their first lines at his stage of development. Samuelsson played on the first pairing as the season wound down. And I would say that he did a decent job. But what serious team would have him playing a first pairing role? I'm comfortable in saying none. Teams with fuller rosters are able to play players in the roles they are suited for. For many players here, they are playing an elevated roll because there is a dearth of talent, at least compared to competitive teams. The mismatch is clearly due to insufficient talent on the roster. It's obvious to all that Sabres have a number of problematic roster issues. In believe that much of it can be attributed to a lack of required talent. Exhibition of class and grace.

I think Peterka has more to give. I felt his defensive game has improved and I felt we saw better decisions from him. He also played a lot with Tage and idk how many of those assists are 2nd ones.