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I just don't see Benson ever being a top end guy (see 25G 60P) type which is the very least I want for a top 6 forward.

Or KA wants to hold on to those valuable mid round draft picks :eyeroll:

I was responding to “the old days” and the idea that the aud sold out every game for years. It did that when the team was good, and entertaining. But there were significant stretches where the team was mediocre to bad, and there were plenty if seats available for walk up sales during those times. Today, the difference isnt the fans. Its that the significant stretch is old enough to be entering high school.

Who hails from, if I can read the card here, Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan. https://nypost.com/2025/06/20/sports/slap-shot-actor-hershey-bears-hockey-player-guido-tenesi-dead-at-71/

One last note that got from EP draft guide. Carter Bear finished 3rd, just behind Berkley Catton, for even strength primary points per 60 in the WHL. Carter Bear drives and creates offense while also being bordering on elite defensively.

Imo, I don't think public draft evaluation understands or takes much account of checking ability. Being able to check, (that includes hitting, cutting through an opponents hands, stick lifts, and those shoulder to shoulders battles), in both zones seems to get far less attention than slick passing plays. O'Brien skates "better" than Bear stylistically, he tends to connect a bit more on his passes, he uses handles to manipulate lanes open. Those things are easy to identify and at least publicly are more valuable than Bears ability to read opponents and bate them, his checking is top notch, his shot is better but no one seems to care, and while his ability to pass might be less, it's still an advanced skill. So the question I end up with is what's more likely, O'Brien develops and rounds out a checking game or Bear improves his skating stride to help unlock the hands he already shows? I'll bet on Bears skating over O'Brien and the checking. I could be wrong, we'll see. Benson's checking and manipulation went underrated in his draft year. Jarvis, same thing. Will Bear be another one of these guys? One note, both players might be really good nhl guys in the end. It's not either or.

I disagree with the experts about this draft. It might not have a generational player like McKenna, but it's just as deep as any other draft. Keep in mind Misa played up his whole minor hockey career and was taken number 1 in the OHL draft as an Exceptional Status player. He had beaten McDavid's record for most points in an OHL cup. Schaefer was head and shoulders the #1 D man on Team Canada at the WJC (until he got hurt) which included last year's #11 overall Sam Dickinson who was touted as one of... if not the best defenseman in the CHL. Are the players 3 through 15 any different than any other year? I think there's a similar fall off from the top 2 as you'd see any other year. Remember, everyone thought 2015 was the big draft compared to 2014, but as time goes on the players from 2014 are looking better and better (ignoring that McDavid guy anyways). 😀 I think the "experts" just look at the top 1 or 2 guys, and extrapolate from there. These are all the same "experts" who had Brady Martin as a late first rounder, but overnight put him up to mid single digits after one U18 tournament. The same "experts" that completely ignore a guy like Carter Bear and his 40 goals in 56 games and despite @LGR4GM's insistence that he's one of the best motors in the draft. Meanwhile they consistantly place Jake O'Brien above him even though he has less goals in more games, about the same PPG, much lower motor, and has played on a really stacked team that would completely inflate his point totals.

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Point well taken and I can truly appreciate that. Perhaps I’m a bit too critical of Byram, but he just hasn’t impressed me as much as I’d hoped to this point.

I think the deal with this draft is there’s one stud in Schaefer, one top 5 guy in Misa, about 10-15 similar guys that would typically go in the 5-15 range. No worries about quality in the area the Sabres are picking.

And of course, in Seattle there are no income taxes and we can grow palm trees.

I think it’s 14 players signed, essentially Marchments contract under the cap. Good GM’s find a way but there’s also Robertson raise to consider

Byram and Power have played exactly the same amount of NHL games. Not many NHL defencemen have hit their peak before they turn 24 and play 250 games.

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We shall see whether Bryam still as runway to grow. Byram JUST turned 24 a couple of weeks ago. Personally expect him to still improve this year and likely the next year or 2 as well. D-men usually seem to hit their peak around 26 and then stay there for a while. Which goes back to my big complaint about the trade of Mittelstadt for Byram. We traded Mitts away right at the point in time he was coming into his prime for a player that was still 2-3 years away from his prime. For the love of all things good an holy, Buffalo, stop being a friggin' development program.

Imo, Byram is already at his ceiling and we need better. I was ok with moving him at the deadline. I don’t buy the Peterka rumors and that said, while he has a higher ceiling, it’s that high ceiling that fetches the better asset in a trade. But his high ceiling can’t be compared to Power’s imo, because Power plays a more critical position.

I think perspective matters. For the league, having a team win on the ice doesn’t matter. It’s a zero-sum game and someone is always going to win. “Winning” to the league means are revenues rising. For owners, winning probably means something. Mostly as a status symbol. They usually make money anyways (see TOR). For players, until they get older, yes, winning is almost everything. If we had a winning team, they would flock here, palm trees or not. For fans, I think entertainment is higher on the list, but winning gives you that warm feeling, even though you had nothing to do with it. For Pegula, no, winning doesn’t matter.

And if they keep the pick to try to backfill for Östlund or Helenius, cool. But if they keep the pick and all their prospects, then what is the game plan? See what they can get next off-season when Dahlin and Thompson throw in the towel? Wasn't that the point in the movie where Bill Murray drove off the cliff with the groundhog to see if he could make the nightmare end?

Have said MANY times, personally don't want Peterka traded. BUT if he is going to be traded, bringing back a player that's actually better than him NOW would make it acceptable IMHO. And Robertson IS a better player than Peterka NOW. Will he still be better than him when the Sabres are actually ready to rejoin the NHL? Wtf knows. But if they decide to try to do that this year, the answer will be yes, he still is.

I will believe that more if I hear Peterka say it. Miller is most definitely less than ideal but he would fill a hole and it's a deep and glaring hole. Cuylle is a physical presence and I'd say 20 goal scorer where Peterka could be looked at as a 30 goal scorer. like every off season I want to add more physicality to the roster because as always I think it's a need. I do of course expect very little to happen that I will be happy with.

And yet the expectation is that both Peterka and Byram will be ex-Sabres by October.

idk, and it's been a long time since I lived around there so times and type of ticket buyers does change. If Buffalo is like Canada though (and to some extent I think it is) then they should sell out with a winner. Canucks are not much better than Sabres and they don't provide much extra entertainment and yet that's a really hard to come by ticket. Is it really that different?

and we could use Tanner Jeannot. Point being we need to change the construction of the roster and the type of players we have to make a better rounded team. We do not need flashy perimeter players, we need grit and physicality to balance the perimeter shooters we already have.