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Why are people so weird with this stuff?

I’m fine with the forward group as is. It’s not perfect, a few small changes might help, but I like the core of Benson, Tuch, TNT, Kulich, McLeod, Zucker, & JJP. With a healthy Norris so much better. This is not the area that kept this team from winning.

The Sabres have lots of going players, they should trade some lottery tickets for sure things. Not all of them but some.

Your options here are *****. Designed to force an answer that gives you a win. They will be more successful if the identify which young talent to keep and which to trade. You're so wrong on all this and we have years is proof. What, if we trade Östlund and Samuelsson for a 29yr defender we're gonna lose in round 1 and won't be good for a decade? What a fake set of choices. We traded Savoie for McLeod, guess we're losing in round 1 instead of being good for a decade.

This type of breakdown ignores the amount of time the players spent here. Depending on how many miles you put on the tires, of course the return is going to be less.

Loyalty to Phoenix doesn’t really matter much at this point.

Another one is Lehner acquired for a 1st, no return. The McNabb deal is a perennial favourite around here. I haven’t completely tracked the Kane deal trade tree, but I don’t think the Sabres have any assets left from that one. Botterill was a disaster at managing assets and Adams squandered a lot of what was left in the Bubble. Yes, the McCabe injury was a stroke of bad luck, and Botterill set him up for failure, but managing to turn Ullmark, McCabe and Montour into exactly nothing is a huge black mark against Adams that no one ever talks about.

When was that? Did I miss something? B

What’s a disgrace is that Toronto fans have the ability to fill up the arena because there are so many unsold seats and seats being sold by the hometown ticket holders. That in itself is a freaking disgrace that opposition fans are more willing to attend than hometown fans. You want to be mad about the situation? Focus your venom on the obtuse owner with the big boat who has crushed this franchise and fanbase with his foolishness. And it should be noted that his absurd ridiculousness has been going on for a generation.

I would say that proves my point other than one or two instances.

Will they be more successful over the next decade if they.... A - continue to develop their young talent and let them grow into complete players or B - trade away young talent for veterans who can get them into a wildcard spot in 2025-26

Drury is an interesting trade target because I don't think he's particularly good.

Hey, let's leave NY Giant fans out of this discussion. 😉

This was interesting to look into: Cozens acquired for pick 7, flipped for Josh Norris Skinner acquired for basically a 2nd, no return Jokiharju acquired for Nylander, flipped for a 2026 4th Savoie acquired for pick 9, flipped for McLeod Mittelstadt acquired for pick 8, flipped for Byram Lyubushkin acquired for nothing, flipped for a 2025 4th Erik Johnson acquired for nothing, flipped for Simon-Pierre Brunet and Ryerson Leenders Colin Miller acquired for a 2nd and a 5th, no return Sam Reinhart acquired for 2nd overall pick, flipped for Kulich and Levi Jack Eichel acquired for 2nd overall pick, flipped for Tuch, Krebs, Östlund and Greenway Taylor Hall acquired for nothing, flipped for Bjork and Kisakov Brandon montour acquired for a 1st-rounder (Brayden Tracey) and Brendan Guhle, flipped for Stiven Sardarian Eric Staal acquired for Marcus Johansson, flipped for Riley Stillman and Viljami Marjala Jake McCabe acquired for a 2nd, no return Linus Ullmark acquired for a 6th, no return Connor Sheary acquired for a 4th (Mattias Marcelli) flipped for Dominik Kahun Pominville and Scandella acquired for Foligno and Ennis, flipped for Michael Frolik Ryan O’Rielly acquired for Grigorenko, Zadorov, Compher and Jeremy Roy, flipped effectively for Thompson, Johnson and Colin Miller The most notable thing to me here was the amount of assets frittered away by Botterill and during Adams first year. Eichel, Reinhart, Ullmark, O’Reilly, Montour, McCabe, Foligno, Hall, Johansson, and Miller are all playing in the NHL right now. In exchange the Sabres have Thompson, Tuch, Greenway, Krebs and Kulich.

Oh, I observe, and luckily most times in the history of our head-to-heads, we Sabres fans end up getting the last laugh, and the Leafs fans end up heading back across the border as losers. That includes the last time they met in the playoffs. I was at that penultimate game and remember waving bye to all the blue and white jerseys as they filed out of the HSBC arena in shame. Even as I crossed back across the border, Channel 4 had their cameras in the Peace bridge lineup in front of the inspection booths. We got their attention and celebrated with everyone else staring at us in envy. The thing is that, when the Leafs win a game or two, their fans start planning the parade. It’s beyond obnoxious how entitled they are. After they eliminated Ottawa, I was seeing jersey and flags everywhere. It was nauseating. So it’s so great to see them have their annual playoff collapse and hear the Toronto media natter at each other. Steve Dangle is a great watch. If you’ve never seen his videos on YouTube, it’s highly entertaining. I want ongoing pain for that team and all their fans. He tells it like it is and is very satisfying to know most of their fans are losing their minds in a similar fashion. I would love nothing more than the Sabres to have some form of relevance again, but in the meantime, I need something in the NHL to celebrate. The Leafs have succeeded in becoming the perfect failure. They truly are the Laffs.

I really like Knies. Thoughts on offer sheet for him?

Lmfao. Yea... 14yrs of no playoffs is us sacrificing the future and wanting instant gratification. 5yrs of Adams selling a future that's never coming because he's too stupid to fix the gt.

Leaf fans are just 2000 - 2020 Patriots fans without anything to back up their trash talk with. I roll my eyes hard at this entire post. When a team's fanbase dishes out ***** at every given moment you are most certainly allowed to call them out when they inevitably fail. Based on your opinion, Sabres fans should quite literally be perpetually depressed because we have no right to enjoy anyone's defeat. (The Toronto fans are angry that they didn’t go on to win the Cup. Their expectations may be unrealistic but at least they have them. What are the Sabre fans’ expectations? Low! Just qualify.) Every team's fanbase wants to win the Cup, make the playoffs, etc. Most fanbases however don't tout themselves being the Hockey Mecca, superior in all aspects to everyone else, and the Cup Favorite each and every year. Everything must be about them rather it be traditional/social media, print, and forum discussions. Start talking about anything on the hfboards and you'll get swarmed by Leaf fans looking to hijack it.

^This, he’s not the guy that’s gonna put the team on his back and carry them! You either have it or you don’t! He needs a situation like Eichel had. Eichel wasn’t the leader of the Golden Knights when he got to Vegas. He could just step in and play.

They need to invest their FA money in a defenseman like Ekblad.

Over the past six seasons the leagues youngest team has ranked 30th (OTT), 28th (NJD), 31st (DET), 32nd (CBJ), 32nd (ANA) and 29th (BUF) in goals against. So blame KA for icing the youngest team in the league and expecting playoffs. The players themselves will be fine, they have enough talent... they just haven't learned how to defend at the NHL level yet. It takes physical growth, coaching, experience and patience. You want the instant gratification of making the playoffs? Then you'll need to swap out some youngsters for some veterans. But is that really the goal? Are you willing to sacrifice future returns just to squeak into a wildcard spot and get walloped in the 1st round?

Thank you in advance for nobody mentioning Marner.

They might be a couple of Mitch Marners.