Byram vs Power - Who are you keeping long-term?

[JohnC]

1 minute ago, Crusader1969 said:

Pretty sure the league will still value Power more than Byram 

I would certainly be on the phone to Vancouver (since Quinn is likely to walk once his contract is up) to see if there is interest 

I'd be asking how much they value Tuch as well 

 

Why do you assume that Quinn is likely to walk once his contract is up? 

[Crusader1969]

1 minute ago, JohnC said:

Why do you assume that Quinn is likely to walk once his contract is up? 

He's talked about wanting to play with his brothers in NJ 

I think Canuck fans are bracing for it 

[Crusader1969]

If we are talking about trades. 

With Kesselring out, the time is now to go get another defenseman.

They’ve managed to survive with Bryson, but he’s a band-aid — an emergency option, not someone you want playing every night.

[ponokasabre]

16 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

If we are talking about trades. 

With Kesselring out, the time is now to go get another defenseman.

They’ve managed to survive with Bryson, but he’s a band-aid — an emergency option, not someone you want playing every night.

UPL for Tyler Tucker from St Louis

[Marty]

Does anybody trust that we’d get good return for either of them?  Who’s our GM?

[GASabresIUFAN]

7 hours ago, Mr Peabody said:

If one must go, You trade whoever gives the best return. 

I think the overriding factor of who stays or go will be who is the better player/fit for the Sabres, with contract/cap considerations second and the type of return 3rd.  

 

14 minutes ago, Marty said:

Does anybody trust that we’d get good return for either of them?  Who’s our GM?

Well some here would argue that the JJP, Mitts and McLeod trades are looking pretty good from a current Sabres perspective, even if scoring is down to 2.8 goal per game and the team overall is still mired in the Pit of Despair.  The critics would point to the bad Malenstyn, Norris and Greenway trades on the other side of the ledger.

Edited Tuesday at 10:30 PM by GASabresIUFAN

[oddoublee]

3 hours ago, Crusader1969 said:

He's talked about wanting to play with his brothers in NJ 

I think Canuck fans are bracing for it 

Well...NJ has to actually want him first.

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2 hours ago, oddoublee said:

Well...NJ has to actually want him first.

Details schmetails.

[kas23]

People seem to automatically conclude Kevyn does horrible trades. The Mitts trade was fairly good, so was the McLeod and JJP (although both of these will have to play out over the next 5 years). The Eichel trade was the best we could get - but if we have to argue this one, the real argument should be what led up to it. The Sammy trade is interesting. I always thought he was about to break out, especially given how well he played his final season here. But, he wanted to leave and given this, I’m sure Adams got what he could. I bet there are 31 other teams who wish they bid higher. Point your fingers at them. The Norris trade? I don’t know how this will eventually turn out. We got damaged goods. Cozens seems to be doing OK in Ottawa (14 pts in 19 gp) but still is -10. At least they have a real player, I suppose. Either way, both have bad contracts. 

[Brawndo]

Here is the Evolving Hockey comparisons 

Neither one truly separates themselves. 

Although Power and Kesselring did look really good together in a very small sample size. 
 

Power is cost controlled for a longer period of time as Byram is an UFA at the end of his current contract 

I would still move Byram if I choose between the two 

 

 

[GASabresIUFAN]

50 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

Power is cost controlled for a longer period of time as Byram is an UFA at the end of his current contract 

According to Capwages.com Byram is an RFA with Arb rights at the end of this contract in 2027.  https://capwages.com/players/bowen-byram

[Broken Ankles]

18 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

According to Capwages.com Byram is an RFA with Arb rights at the end of this contract in 2027.  https://capwages.com/players/bowen-byram

Is it not 27 or seven accrued NHL seasons to reach UFA status?  Which he would have after next year.  Even though only 26. Puck Pedia shows UFA is expiratory status. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

18 minutes ago, Broken Ankles said:

Is it not 27 or seven accrued NHL seasons to reach UFA status?  Which he would have after next year.  Even though only 26. Puck Pedia shows UFA is expiratory status. 

He won't be 27 when the contract expires.   His status likely comes down to whether or not Byram was on the active roster (including injuries) for 40+ games his first two seasons when he only appeared in 19 and 30 games respectively.  If he didn't "accrue" a season in either of those season, then he's an RFA.  If he accrued seasons in both of those years he's a UFA.  Given those were COVID years and he spent a great deal of time on the taxi squad, who knows what his actual status is.

Edited yesterday at 06:02 AM by GASabresIUFAN

[Archie Lee]

7 hours ago, Brawndo said:

Here is the Evolving Hockey comparisons 

Neither one truly separates themselves. 

Although Power and Kesselring did look really good together in a very small sample size. 
 

Power is cost controlled for a longer period of time as Byram is an UFA at the end of his current contract 

I would still move Byram if I choose between the two 

 

 

Just some added context. Per Dobber lines, at 5v5 Byram has played 104 minutes this year with Dahlin and Power 28. Byram has played 6 minutes with Bryson and Power 23. 
 

[Brawndo]

6 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

According to Capwages.com Byram is an RFA with Arb rights at the end of this contract in 2027.  https://capwages.com/players/bowen-byram

According to PuckPedia, Spotrac, Daily Faceoff, Matthew Fairburn from the Athletic and Greg Wyshynski of ESPN he is an UFA at the end of his deal 

[quill]

Byram has turned out to be head and shoulders better than Power. He carries the puck up the ice with more authority than Power and he's much more intense a player than Power. Byram was good enough when he got here, but the improvement he's shown since that time is impressive. Power has never come close to living up to his number one overall pick status. If we could get a solid playoff type grinder or two for Power I'd be all for it.

Edited yesterday at 01:24 PM by quill

[Thorny]

23 hours ago, JohnC said:

If I had to make a choice between Power or Byram, I would definitely keep Power. There are interludes where Byram can be more dynamic offensively but there is an unevenness to his game that makes me prefer Power in the long run. 

In a few years, the Sabres may be facing cap tightness but with the cap going up I don't foresee it as a problem for the next few years. Dahlin is one of the best defensemen in the league. And it should be acknowledged that Samuelsson is playing as a good complementary partner in the first pairing. I'm happy with Power on the second pair and I'm more than pleased with the play of Timmons. When you add Byram and Kesserling to the mix it seems that a quality unit is emerging with even more upside expected from a relatively young unit. 

It's apparent that I'm more positive about Power than many here. The critics should be aware that many of them were adamant in their view that Samuelsson should be sent packing. Now I consider him to be one of our better and more consistent players on the blueline. My recommendation is to be patient and stay the course and let this unit grow together. 

 

Byram’s metrics away from Dahlin are still bad. He’s an illusion. Easy answer especially without dudacek running around the place concocting salient arguments in his favour 

22 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

I'm keeping Power. 

I think he gets criticized on this board way too much. Yeah, he makes mistakes, but there are other times where he gets blamed for a goal allowed and you watch the replay and find out he was the only player on the screen that actually did NOT make a mistake, yet the reflex action of most of the board is to criticize Power.

My opinion on Byram has not changed one bit this year based on what I have seen.  He's a very talented (raw skill) guy that just doesn't have those skill translate to the ice.  He's an average overall D-man, who looks good with Dahlin (as do most players) but when he is put into the #1 D-man role when Dahlin is not around he fails pretty badly.

I'm taking Power.

Thread 

22 hours ago, JohnC said:

You are joining the minority club. There is plenty of room for others who are mostly seeking other accommodations. 🍺

And you have my bow 

Edited yesterday at 06:58 PM by Thorny

[HumanSlinky39]

Byram. Power has size/reach you can't teach but he's in his 4th full season now and I struggle to identify one thing he's good at. Byram is pretty solid all around and doesn't have nearly as many confounding moments as Power. Is Power's problem coaching? I suspect that's part of it, but I just don't see the flashes of "wow" talent that you'd expect from a #1 overall pick. When I think of him, I just think "underwhelming." I think he's a bit of a victim of being the top pick in an extremely underwhelming draft class.

[LGR4GM]

I want both traded.

[mjd1001]

Last night was one of the worst games Byram played as a Sabre.

After you get rid of Quinn (last night was back to a typical mistake-ridden, lazy game by him) and Greenway (he's plain and simple a below average forward in almost every way other than penalty killing), Bryam would be the next one I'd move if any other team has interest.

[Taro T]

4 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

Last night was one of the worst games Byram played as a Sabre.

After you get rid of Quinn (last night was back to a typical mistake-ridden, lazy game by him) and Greenway (he's plain and simple a below average forward in almost every way other than penalty killing), Bryam would be the next one I'd move if any other team has interest.

Yeah, so much for he and Timmons being a good pair at home at least.  They lost their minds in the 3rd.

[Thorny]

6 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

Last night was one of the worst games Byram played as a Sabre.

After you get rid of Quinn (last night was back to a typical mistake-ridden, lazy game by him) and Greenway (he's plain and simple a below average forward in almost every way other than penalty killing), Bryam would be the next one I'd move if any other team has interest.

 

[LGR4GM]

Sabres need to fire Wilford now, and evaluate the D before the deadline.

[Thorny]

16 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Sabres need to fire Wilford now, and evaluate the D before the deadline.

Next year is an evaluation year