Sabres Trade JJ Peterka to Utah for Defenseman Michael Kesselring and Forward Josh Doan

[DarthEbriate]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

As if that’s happening.  He trading Byram for a cost controlled depth D and a draft pick.  

The D group for next year has now been completed 

Dahlin Kesselring

Power JDB

Samuelsson Clifton

Bryson Depth D from Byram trade.  

Very exciting times in Sabreland. 

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

This trade practically guarantees Byram is going somewhere.

I like the d-corps as currently constructed. It could have a solid 3-year window to gel with bridges (or more) on Byram, Kesselring, and JBD.
Byram-Dahlin
Power-Kesselring
Samuelsson-JBD
(Clifton, Bryson-waive to AHL/tweener callup)

The issue of course, is that it's not EEE if Byram, JBD, or Kesselring don't want to be here or want long-term deals. With the cap escalating, though, why would you go for a long-term deal if you're still on the ascent?

 

34 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

Utah has three second round picks in 2026, they couldn’t have gotten the lowest one of them to replace theirs from the Norris-JBD Trade? 

As others have said along the thread, this trade lacks a 2nd or a swap of the firsts. Add #4, take away #9 and this trade works. Or, more likely, at least get that 2nd if they're being punks. Honestly, add #4 and I'm happy because I think you can still get more out of Quinn and Benson. And if Byram moves for a top-6 forward, it can still be OK.

 

15 minutes ago, OverPowerYou said:

So the Utah Mammoth used to be the Phoenix Coyotes. 

We stole Briere from the Coyotes
They stole Peterka from us
Did we reverse the curse? 

I’m desperate and reaching 

If this is the case, we have to wait for Peterka to become a legitimate star, lead the Coyotes to a President's Trophy, a WCF... before departing in free agency. We'll be at year 19 by then.

[LGR4GM]

1 minute ago, GoPuckYourself said:

I can't lie I don't hate this trade which is why I don't think it's Adams who made it LOL we get 2 guys who arent afraid at all mixing it up and throwing their body around. Shane Doan has a that fire like his dad did and is growing more and more into it. The only thing I don't like is that both of them are RFA's next season and we could be going through the same thing again next offseason but I don't hate this at all.

Is their agent Allan Walsh?

[apuszczalowski]

2 hours ago, Sidc3000 said:

I don’t understand why people think Marner is even in the mix.  Why the hell would he want to come to the Sabres? 

It's close to Toronto where he is from?

He gets to play Toronto a bunch of times and can stick it to them if he plays good in those games?

In the last 20 years the Sabres have about the same amount of playoff series wins as Toronto?

That's about all I got

[SwampD]

9 hours ago, Thorny said:

 

That’s the crux right there. You nailed it.

[Jorcus]

18 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Benson's shot has been laughably turned into the same thing as Reinhart's skating. Benson has an average shot and if the goalie cheats, Benson is going to wrist it home. 

 

https://edge.nhl.com/en/skater/8484145

 

Try to find a 1st line player with worse numbers. I am not saying Benson is trash but promoting him to top line when every other player with Thompsons abilities gets to play with proven better players. Matthews, McDavid, McKinnon, etc. don't have to put up with what we do to Thompson.  

[Carmel Corn]

4 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Interestingly, Adams has added 2 rhd in the last 4 months. 

A soon to be 25yr old Bernard-Docker and a 25yr old Kesselring. 

Something that is below the radar to me is Bertnard-Docker.  I'd like to see a bigger sample of him....as I didn't hate what little I saw last season.  He should still be cheap as an RFA.  I won't be surprised to see Clifton gone at the deadline (if not before).

[Taro T]

46 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said:

Unless its an addition by subtraction situation. If he was part of the problem, its just good he is gone. The players they got back look like solid NHL players

Even if it's addition by subtraction.  The poster child for addition by subtraction: Alexei Yashin netted Zedeno Chara.  There are ALWAYS GMs that beiieve HIS system and HIS people can overcome any issues that a particular player might bring with him.

Even if this trade HAD to happen prior to the draft (or Utah would move on to a different move), there were still nearly 2 more days before that.

[Drag0nDan]

Just now, Carmel Corn said:

Something that is below the radar to me is Bertnard-Docker.  I'd like to see a bigger sample of him....as I didn't hate what little I saw last season.  He should still be cheap as an RFA.  I won't be surprised to see Clifton gone at the deadline (if not before).

Adding cheap players gives you the ability to just bury him or bench him if you can't find a taker.

[WhenWillItEnd66]

2 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said:

Something that is below the radar to me is Bertnard-Docker.  I'd like to see a bigger sample of him....as I didn't hate what little I saw last season.  He should still be cheap as an RFA.  I won't be surprised to see Clifton gone at the deadline (if not before).

I actually loved JBD play last season. I have mentioned this a few times. I get it, small sample size, but on a defensive deficient team, he stood out in my eyes. A solid 5-6 defensive guy that can be bumped to 3-4 for short periods and not cost you anything as he definitely handles his own end well.  

[French Collection]

If Kesselring is the answer to help out Power and Byram is dealt, they need to find a partner for Dahlin. I don’t want to see Mule in that role.

[DarthEbriate]

3 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Even if it's addition by subtraction.  The poster child for addition by subtraction: Alexei Yashin netted Zedeno Chara.  There are ALWAYS GMs that beiieve HIS system and HIS people can overcome any issues that a particular player might bring with him.

Even if this trade HAD to happen prior to the draft (or Utah would move on to a different move), there were still nearly 2 more days before that.

Don't sell the rest of the trade short. Yashin netted Chara, Muckalt, and #2 overall (Spezza). Ottawa got a HOF defenseman and a better center who gave them 11 seasons of point-per-game production.

[LGR4GM]

Lambert at Elite Prospects have Buffalo a B- and Utah a C grade for this trade. 

Reasons being Peterka's underlying numbers are bad and his shooting might have been lucky. Also he notes that Doans underlying metrics were great and he has some untapped potential coming. 

[Thorny]

13 minutes ago, SwampD said:

That’s the crux right there. You nailed it.

I don’t know how people can spend time discussing the return, burying the lead that we were specifically lied to, sold a fraudulent, disingenuous bill of goods, and then they took our money and more importantly our time with smiles on their faces, with zero regard for their worth, flushed it down the toilet, and are asking fans to do it again. 

Discuss the return - you are discussing the merits of the different types of lotion buffalo bill is lowering down into your hole. Go on. Lube up. 

Or stand up for something. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Thorny

[ponokasabre]

2 minutes ago, French Collection said:

If Kesselring is the answer to help out Power and Byram is dealt, they need to find a partner for Dahlin. I don’t want to see Mule in that role.

I think Byram will bring in Dahlins partner, I still think that’s the plan, and I wouldn’t be suprised if it’s someone similiar to Kesserling, but I’m guessing a vet 

[LGR4GM]

Just now, Thorny said:

I don’t know how people can spend time discussing the return, burying the lead that we were specifically lied to, sold a fraudulent, disingenuous bill of goods, and then they took our money and more importantly our time with smiles on their faces, with zero regard for their worth, flushed it down the toilet, and are asking fans to do it again. 

you are discussing the merits of the different types of lotion buffalo bill is lowering down into your hole. Stand up for something. 

Because we knew the reason was bs for about 2yrs now or more and we've already discussed it. It isn't interesting to go back to the fact Kevyn is full of it. 

[Taro T]

3 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

Don't sell the rest of the trade short. Yashin netted Chara, Muckalt, and #2 overall (Spezza). Ottawa got a HOF defenseman and a better center who gave them 11 seasons of point-per-game production.

Thank you.  Didn't feel like looking up the entirety of that trade.  GMs over pay all the time even for players with huge ???'s.  Even if it was addition by subtraction, the rest of the addition should've been more.

[Thorny]

1 hour ago, bob_sauve28 said:

Unless it’s an addition by subtraction situation. If he was part of the problem, it’s just good he is gone. The players they got back look like solid NHL players

On today’s menu: JJ Peterka, addition by subtraction

eat up. Mmmm. Gruel. 

2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Because we knew the reason was bs for about 2yrs now or more and we've already discussed it. It isn't interesting to go back to the fact Kevyn is full of it. 

Enabler 

[DarthEbriate]

Cons: I'm going to miss "meesa Jar Jar Peterka! Meesa score bombad goals!" and the Peterka Puts It Away cat.

Pros: He's the d-man that made the Kesselring in less than 12 parsecs! He's a spice mine!

So... it'll all work itself out on the board.

[WhenWillItEnd66]

3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Lambert at Elite Prospects have Buffalo a B- and Utah a C grade for this trade. 

Reasons being Peterka's underlying numbers are bad and his shooting might have been lucky. Also he notes that Doans underlying metrics were great and he has some untapped potential coming. 

Exactly!!! Not to mention he was a tire fire defensively. Both players brought in have what this team needs. Some smart physicality and they are both tenacious! Doan forechecks like crazy and has decent speed. In this case i think we were overvaluing JJ. I still think we need to add another Solid Dman and a goal scorer. I have zero faith in Adams, but holds on to a bit of hope he can get this fixed.

[Mr Peabody]

Guessing JJ wanting out was a mutual feeling with Lindy with Hamilton saying JJ didn’t like Lindy.   Wild guess is they disagreed over defense.  

Ignoring the return (and as a wise poster above mention 30 other GMs had a chance to offer more), this trade seems to trend our team toward playing NHL type hockey. 

[Thorny]

 

[darksabre]

It's nice seeing the analysis come in that make this trade seem a little more sane. 

I have no affinity for most of the Sabres as I find them to be a catastrophically soft team despite their ability to score a boatload of goals. So I don't really care if guys like Peterka get moved. 

He had flashes of real skill, but I can't say he was all that compelling. Certainly not a guy you'd point to and say "he's key to winning a playoff series." Maybe he'll get there, who knows. Utah thinks so, I guess. Good for them. 

[dudacek]

6 minutes ago, Thorny said:

I don’t know how people can spend time discussing the return, burying the lead that we were specifically lied to, sold a fraudulent, disingenuous bill of goods, and then they took our money and more importantly our time with smiles on their faces, with zero regard for their worth, flushed it down the toilet, and are asking fans to do it again. 

 you are discussing the merits of the different types of lotion buffalo bill is lowering down into your hole. Stand up for something.  

 

Maybe they just did a ***** job and we're wondering if there is a slim chance this might help fix it?

[Carmel Corn]

10 minutes ago, French Collection said:

If Kesselring is the answer to help out Power and Byram is dealt, they need to find a partner for Dahlin. I don’t want to see Mule in that role.

 

6 minutes ago, ponokasabre said:

I think Byram will bring in Dahlins partner, I still think that’s the plan, and I wouldn’t be suprised if it’s someone similiar to Kesserling, but I’m guessing a vet 

I don't want Muel either, but my guess is that he is still the "plan" as far as Dahlin's partner.  Byrum hopefully gets moved for a top 6 forward.  Muel stays because GMKA basically denied a buyout is happening and nobody will otherwise trade for his contract.  That said, I hope somehow Muel gets a lobotomy and starts playing with more grit and jam.

[Thorny]

4 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Maybe they just did a ***** job and we're wondering if there is a slim chance this might help fix it?

It doesn’t matter. They made the trade under the knowledge they were taking a hit on return to save money. They don’t believe we got fair value - they are just hoping the value is close enough they can get lucky. Awful and insulting team building practices to the fans. If it works out it’s probably a negative on the macro: they’ll be encouraged to think they can further get away with cost cutting maneuvers 

Tell yourself whatever you want. That you are just clinging to hope. That’s what they want. I’m guilty of it too. I’m a hypocrite. We know they are counting on us ignoring the fact their goal is saving. I am doing my utmost to break this habit 

Edited 3 hours ago by Thorny