Chad D: expect a Byram trade at or around the draft

[Pimlach]

7 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Good Lord No.  Autocorrect got me.  Byram.  I meant Byram can stay if Adams cannot get good value. 

[Weave]

37 minutes ago, jahnyc said:

Sabres must be under incredible internal and external pressure to trade Byram.  I don't think they were planning to have him on the roster for next season, particularly when they decided to trade Peterka.  It has been out there for some time that the Sabres were shopping Byram and now the offer sheet threat further complicates the situation.  This is exactly how you end up with a poor return for a young player with real value.  We will see if Byram is traded and what we receive back, but this already is bordering on complete incompetence.

The entire draft- post draft period has been played from a defensive posture.  Nearly every move made has been defensive so they can react to an offer sheet.  The whole thing was just not well strategized.

I liked Mitts for Bowen, even if he wasn’t sure what to do with the player.  I thought we got the better player AND we bought a year before making a big decision.  It certainly seems Bowen is worth more than Mitts today.  But it also seems that KA has backed himself into a situation where he likely won’t be able to get full value.

[LabattBlue]

22 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

I meant Byram can stay if Adams cannot get good value. 

The problem is KA is clueless in terms of knowing good value from bad value and because of that he is doing exactly what I stated yesterday…he is paralyzed.  
 

Edited 10 hours ago by LabattBlue

[Mr. MVP]

“On the most recent episode of 'Strictly Canucks Talk', NHL podcaster Tanbir announced that Buffalo has specified what they want as a return trade from the Canucks.

"Ask for Byram is a 1st rd pick, one of Willander or D Petey and a bottom 6 roster player."

[ponokasabre]

12 minutes ago, Mr. MVP said:

“On the most recent episode of 'Strictly Canucks Talk', NHL podcaster Tanbir announced that Buffalo has specified what they want as a return trade from the Canucks.

"Ask for Byram is a 1st rd pick, one of Willander or D Petey and a bottom 6 roster player."

That would be a hell of a return

[The Jokeman]

4 minutes ago, ponokasabre said:

That would be a hell of a return

A 1st likely below pick 20, a D prospect and a bottom 6 forward? That's a horrible return imo. 

Edited 10 hours ago by The Jokeman

[Mr. MVP]

3 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

A 1st likely below pick 20, a D prospect and a bottom 6 forward? That's a horrible return imo. 

They just took Willander 11th overall last year I think?  

[Broken Ankles]

6 hours ago, JohnC said:

If you are saying that Ruff isn’t much of a factor in these offseason transactions, then I respectfully but strenuously disagree with you. 

Strenuously disagree?   

 

 

 

[The Jokeman]

3 minutes ago, Mr. MVP said:

They just took Willander 11th overall last year I think?  

In 2023 but again another RHD prospect. He's considered a good 2 way defender. Yet it isn't a need. We need a top 6 forward. I'm hoping with Suter signing with the Blues and them over the cap it might tilt them to trade with us as they have an over abundance of talent at forward. 

[dudacek]

Canuck fans are so enamoured with Willander, they wouldn’t trade him straight across for Byram.

He’s good: roughly the equivalent of Mtrka in the sense that he projects as a high-floor all-around #2/3, but no one sees him as a #1 except Canuck fans.

The ask, IMO is fair for a player of Byram’s resume. It’s roughly the equivalent of what K’Andre Miller just got and what other 3rd contract #2/3 projections go for.

[The Jokeman]

7 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Canuck fans are so enamoured with Willander, they wouldn’t trade him straight across for Byram.

He’s good: roughly the equivalent of Mtrka in the sense that he projects as a high-floor all-around #2/3, but no one sees him as a #1 except Canuck fans.

The ask, IMO is fair for a player of Byram’s resume. It’s roughly the equivalent of what K’Andre Miller just got and what other 3rd contract #2/3 projections go for.

Yet the Sabres don't need bottom 6 forwards or D prospects. Makes no sense for us to make that move IMO. 

Edited 9 hours ago by The Jokeman

[dudacek]

19 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Yet the Sabres don't need bottom 6 forwards or D prospects. Makes no sense for us to make that move IMO. 

Willander can probably play right now and the bottom six guy would be a good edgy type like Joshua or Sherwood. 

Maybe Kevyn is holding out for Byram-level or Byram-lite defensive guy, or a young 2nd-line winger, but I think when all is said and done with Byram, people’s immediate reaction is going to be one of disappointment.

They might get value, but probably not if they hold out exclusively for veteran roster players.

I think they tipped their hands with the Peterka trade on the model they’re going for.

The Sabres will not be getting the best player in Byram deal unless they decide to keep him.

Edited 9 hours ago by dudacek

[The Jokeman]

19 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Willander can probably play right now and the bottom six guy would be a good edgy type like Joshua or Sherwood. 

Maybe Kevyn is holding out for Byram-level or Byram-lite defensive guy, or a young 2nd-line winger, but I think when all is said and done with Byram, people’s immediate reaction is going to be one of disappointment.

They might get value, but probably not if they hold out exclusively for veteran roster players.

I think they tipped their hands with the Peterka trade on the model they’re going for.

The Sabres will not be getting the best player in Byram deal unless they decide to keep him.

I mention many a time that Dawson Mercer is a guy I'd go after. As he had his best season playing under Ruff.  He could at least give us a Center we lack. Is he better than Byram? No but to me gives us more than Willander would. Heck maybe could get a throw in Kasper Pikkarainen in. 

Edited 9 hours ago by The Jokeman

[Weave]

17 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Willander can probably play right now and the bottom six guy would be a good edgy type like Joshua or Sherwood. 

Maybe Kevyn is holding out for Byram-level or Byram-lite defensive guy, or a young 2nd-line winger, but I think when all is said and done with Byram, people’s immediate reaction is going to be one of disappointment.

They might get value, but probably not if they hold out exclusively for veteran roster players.

I think they tipped their hands with the Peterka trade on the model they’re going for.

The Sabres will not be getting the best player in Byram deal unless they decide to keep him.

It will be interesting to see if the return is better than the player we gave up to get him, Mittlestadt.

Im guessing not, given the situation.

[dudacek]

5 minutes ago, Weave said:

It will be interesting to see if the return is better than the player we gave up to get him, Mittlestadt.

Im guessing not, given the situation.

Oh, I would be shocked if they didn't get more than Mittelstadt at the time we traded him, and considerably more than Mittelstadt right now, at least in terms of value.

[Weave]

5 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Oh, I would be shocked if they didn't get more than Mittelstadt at the time we traded him, and considerably more than Mittelstadt right now, at least in terms of value.

I hope you are more right than I.

[dudacek]

8 minutes ago, Weave said:

I hope you are more right than I.

You and me both.

I think the issue is not value right now, its fit.

Adams believes he has both leverage and interested suitors but he's not holding an auction; if he was, he would have already flipped him for the best pick/player/prospect combo

But I think he has a specific kind of return in mind and is trying to get it; it's what he did for Eichel and what he did for Peterka.

That's harder, because it involves cap and rosters instead of liquid assets. And he may lose value in the process.

 

Edited 8 hours ago by dudacek

[Mr. MVP]

1 hour ago, dudacek said:

Canuck fans are so enamoured with Willander, they wouldn’t trade him straight across for Byram.

He’s good: roughly the equivalent of Mtrka in the sense that he projects as a high-floor all-around #2/3, but no one sees him as a #1 except Canuck fans.

The ask, IMO is fair for a player of Byram’s resume. It’s roughly the equivalent of what K’Andre Miller just got and what other 3rd contract #2/3 projections go for.

He’s like our Helenius.  A prospect the fans don’t want to get traded. 

[Weave]

22 minutes ago, dudacek said:

You and me both.

I think the issue is not value right now, its fit.

Adams believes he has both leverage and interested suitors but he's not holding an auction; if he was, he would have already flipped him for the best pick/player/prospect combo

But I think he has a specific kind of return in mind and is trying to get it; it's what he did for Eichel and what he did for Peterka.

That's harder, because it involves cap and rosters instead of liquid assets. And he may lose value in the process.

 

I think the threat of an offer sheet has him on the defensive, and ultimately will influence his ability to stand firm on value, with or without a specific return in mind.

[dudacek]

5 minutes ago, Weave said:

I think the threat of an offer sheet has him on the defensive, and ultimately will influence his ability to stand firm on value, with or without a specific return in mind.

They're fully able to match a $7-9M sheet and should be willing.

If a team is stupid enough to go higher, they should take the picks because Byram isn't worth 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd, and those are assets they can flip for what he wants.

If Adams doesn't stand firm it's because he's weak or Terry won't spend.

Stubbornness, poor evaluation and hubris are three demonstrable Adams traits, but this is the guy who rode out the Eichel storm for months. I don't perceive him to be weak.

And I suspect ego will override EEE for Terry if someone drops an offer sheet.

[tom webster]

3 minutes ago, dudacek said:

They're fully able to match a $7-9M sheet and should be willing.

If a team is stupid enough to go higher, they should take the picks because Byram isn't worth 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd, and those are assets they can flip for what he wants.

If Adams doesn't stand firm it's because he's weak or Terry won't spend.

Stubbornness, poor evaluation and hubris are three demonstrable Adams traits, but this is the guy who rode out the Eichel storm for months. I don't perceive him to be weak.

And I suspect ego will override EEE for Terry if someone drops an offer sheet.

I think they are perfectly comfortable matching any offer sheet at an AAV less than Miller’s $8.5M. In fact, an offer sheet with a term of four or more and I think they consider that a win.

[Taro T]

14 minutes ago, tom webster said:

I think they are perfectly comfortable matching any offer sheet at an AAV less than Miller’s $8.5M. In fact, an offer sheet with a term of four or more and I think they consider that a win.

The concern comes with an offer sheet of 2 years.  Big salary and no UFA years bought.

[shrader]

13 minutes ago, Taro T said:

The concern comes with an offer sheet of 2 years.  Big salary and no UFA years bought.

But then still able to trade him after the year.  There are worse options out there.

[Huckleberry]

I don't think Calgary or LA are our trade partners,  I still think Blues with Kyrou or Vegas that has too many forwards and would ship us 2 just for cap relief.

Hell I would say to people telling me what would you want out of Vegas for Byram ?  

Dorofoyev  + 1st round pick + Pietrangelo 50% retained (probably not possible seeing he is injured ? )

or

Dorofoyev + Whitecloud

Dorofoyev + Karllson + 2nd round pick for Byram.

 

Edited 7 hours ago by Huckleberry

[Two or less]

1 hour ago, Huckleberry said:

I don't think Calgary or LA are our trade partners,  I still think Blues with Kyrou or Vegas that has too many forwards and would ship us 2 just for cap relief.

Hell I would say to people telling me what would you want out of Vegas for Byram ?  

Dorofoyev  + 1st round pick + Pietrangelo 50% retained (probably not possible seeing he is injured ? )

or

Dorofoyev + Whitecloud

Dorofoyev + Karllson + 2nd round pick for Byram.

 

Huck.... lower your expectations. lol The Sabres are getting none of that.