Chad D: expect a Byram trade at or around the draft

[Rasmus_]

Byram for a late 1st seems like low value.  Though the market is the market.  A player who showed as a top pairing player when with another quality defenseman who just needs more PP1 time seems a bit light for being 23.   The threshold should be higher.

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, thewookie1 said:

My guess was Ferraro + DAL's 1st and a 4th in '26 for Byram

https://puckgm.puckpedia.com/rosters/641379

Ick why do we need another last pair Dman? Yes he's a righty but he's been a -94 the last three seasons combined.  Even worse he's never been a + in six NHL seasons. 

[The Jokeman]

6 minutes ago, Rasmus_ said:

Byram for a late 1st seems like low value.  Though the market is the market.  A player who showed as a top pairing player when with another quality defenseman who just needs more PP1 time seems a bit light for being 23.   The threshold should be higher.

We either get a Top 4 RHD back for Byrum that is in same age bracket 20-25 or a top 6 forward in the same age bracket. That's all I'm willing to take at bare minimum 

[JohnC]

2 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

I guess you take what you can get... But a late first is pretty bad. 

Look through the history of late first round picks, very few of them actually amount to much in the league. 

You'd be trading him for the proverbial lottery pick, but one without a high expected payout. And even if you win, you're not going to get that payout for years.

Trading Byram for a lower first round pick would be adding a chip for some other deals. That's a reasonable approach to take especially if they are homing in on some trade deals that can add players that would help now.

[HumanSlinky39]

Unless any draft pick received is intended to be part of a package to add good, NHL-ready players, ***** all the way off.

[Mr. Allen]

No way it’s only for a late 1st.  And why target teams that have a second 1st?  We want to make sure we don’t inconvenience teams too much in our trades? 

[LGR4GM]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Allen said:

No way it’s only for a late 1st.  And why target teams that have a second 1st?  We want to make sure we don’t inconvenience teams too much in our trades? 

Adams is a terrible poker player. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

8 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Adams is a terrible poker player. 

He’s more like a pitcher who tips his pitches with a lousy fastball.  

[dudacek]

1 hour ago, Drag0nDan said:

I think the challenge i see is the limited suitors - like truly how many teams need a player like him?  With the state of this franchise I assume buffalo is a no on most peoples trade destinations, so you have to let some of the roster chips fall around Buffalo before they can try and make a player trade here.  

I think Byram would have been the highest scoring defenceman on multiple teams, and that’s without any PP time.

Coupled with the fact he’s just entering his prime and Id say 3/4s of the league would have at least mild interest.

Serious interest is a little harder to determine, but I’d be surprised if you couldn’t find a half-dozen teams where he’d be an upgrade on their current 3D.

The insiders say the interest is pretty widespread.

Not saying they’ve been linked to Byram specifically, but off the top of my head, Philly, San Jose, Calgary, Los Angeles, the Rangers, the Penguins, the Hurricanes, the Predators, and the Blues, are all teams said to be interested in adding a young puck-moving top 4.

Edited yesterday at 07:10 PM by dudacek

[ponokasabre]

10 minutes ago, dudacek said:

I think Byram would have been the highest scoring defenceman on multiple teams, and that’s without any PP time.

Coupled with the fact he’s just entering his prime and Id say 3/4s of the league would have at least mild interest.

Serious interest is a little harder to determine, but I’d be surprised if you couldn’t find a half-dozen teams where he’d be an upgrade on their current 3D.

The insiders say the interest is pretty widespread.

Not saying they’ve been linked to Byram specifically, but off the top of my head, Philly, San Jose, Calgary, Los Angeles, the Rangers, the Penguins, the Hurricanes, the Predators, and the Blues, are all teams said to be interested in adding a young puck-moving top 4.

Calgary makes a ton of sense for either Rasmus Anderson or Kevin Bahl, I doubt Weegar, but you never know

Rangers make sense too if they can move out Krieder, Schnieder for Byram as the base makes sense, I still think K'andre Miller for Sammy can make sense too

[PerreaultForever]

3 hours ago, dudacek said:

Byram for a late 1st would be a great deal for whoever is getting Byram 

Correct. I suspect Philly has made this offer. Adams is likely just waiting to see who is available in the draft or if someone else will offer more. San Jose likely wants him as well. 

It would be another example of Adams failure. Mitts out, a one year D man rental in and then ultimately a low first is all we have to show for it. How would you have felt last year if Mitts was traded for a low first? This was all stupid from the start. 

[Mr. Allen]

14 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Correct. I suspect Philly has made this offer. Adams is likely just waiting to see who is available in the draft or if someone else will offer more. San Jose likely wants him as well. 

It would be another example of Adams failure. Mitts out, a one year D man rental in and then ultimately a low first is all we have to show for it. How would you have felt last year if Mitts was traded for a low first? This was all stupid from the start. 

I almost guarantee Brierre lowballed Adams. 

[dudacek]

11 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Correct. I suspect Philly has made this offer. Adams is likely just waiting to see who is available in the draft or if someone else will offer more. San Jose likely wants him as well. 

It would be another example of Adams failure. Mitts out, a one year D man rental in and then ultimately a low first is all we have to show for it. How would you have felt last year if Mitts was traded for a low first? This was all stupid from the start. 

Trading Mitts for Byram was smart.

Trading Byram for a first now when you could sign him for two years, then trade him for that same 1st as rental, that would be stupid.

[PerreaultForever]

1 hour ago, Mr. Allen said:

I almost guarantee Brierre lowballed Adams. 

Probably but if the rumor of a lower first is a thing Philly has those assets and their D isn't deep. Byram could be their #1 PP guy and take the pressure off Drysdale. I could see the interest from them in any event. 

[PerreaultForever]

1 hour ago, dudacek said:

Trading Mitts for Byram was smart.

Trading Byram for a first now when you could sign him for two years, then trade him for that same 1st as rental, that would be stupid.

Why was trading him for Mitts smart? This put everything on Cozens and Cozens didn't deliver. That's a mistake. I'm not a Mitts fan and I was actually laughing today listening to a Marco Sturm interview where he said, about Mitts, "I am going to talk to him and we will see. He has to be better". Byram was not the guy we needed and Mitts removal created a hole. Now it's Norris. It's not improvement, it's just rearranging and staying the same. 

[inkman]

1 minute ago, PerreaultForever said:

Why was trading him for Mitts smart? This put everything on Cozens and Cozens didn't deliver. That's a mistake. I'm not a Mitts fan and I was actually laughing today listening to a Marco Sturm interview where he said, about Mitts, "I am going to talk to him and we will see. He has to be better". Byram was not the guy we needed and Mitts removal created a hole. Now it's Norris. It's not improvement, it's just rearranging and staying the same. 

From a roster building standpoint, trading Mitts for Byram didn’t help much.  From an asset standpoint, they got a highly moveable, valuable asset for a player that appears to be playing his way out of the league. 

[Flashsabre]

I would love to see a new Blue and Gold where it is just Adams telling Jarmo his trade ideas and the camera just pans in on Jarmo’s facial reactions.😁

[ponokasabre]

16 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Probably but if the rumor of a lower first is a thing Philly has those assets and their D isn't deep. Byram could be their #1 PP guy and take the pressure off Drysdale. I could see the interest from them in any event. 

Philly makes sense but I dont see the fit on return, sure Tyson Forester would be a great return but i doubt they move him

We could use Hathaway or DLO for the 4th line

Seeler and Sanheim both have no moves with Sanheim blocking a trade to st louis last year so forsure he would block one here

unless we want Risto back I just dont see the fit

 

I do see a Philly trade that would work being Samulssen for Hathaway or DLO, get Sammy to the org where his dad works, they apparently were interested last year, and just getting Hathaway or DLO accounts for his low value, but also gives us something we are missing for the 4th line, and frees up a bit of cap space in the process

[GoPuckYourself]

If we're picking at all in the 1st round this is a failure imo. Draft picks who may or may not be good in 3 years does nothing to help us right now.

[PerreaultForever]

50 minutes ago, inkman said:

From a roster building standpoint, trading Mitts for Byram didn’t help much.  From an asset standpoint, they got a highly moveable, valuable asset for a player that appears to be playing his way out of the league. 

That is true in hindsight, but at the time Mitts was not seen that way. 

[PerreaultForever]

39 minutes ago, ponokasabre said:

Philly makes sense but I dont see the fit on return, sure Tyson Forester would be a great return but i doubt they move him

We could use Hathaway or DLO for the 4th line

Seeler and Sanheim both have no moves with Sanheim blocking a trade to st louis last year so forsure he would block one here

unless we want Risto back I just dont see the fit

 

I do see a Philly trade that would work being Samulssen for Hathaway or DLO, get Sammy to the org where his dad works, they apparently were interested last year, and just getting Hathaway or DLO accounts for his low value, but also gives us something we are missing for the 4th line, and frees up a bit of cap space in the process

That's not happening. Philly would be interested in moving pick(s) for Byram because they think it's time to start winning (I think they might be premature on this myself and can easily screw it up rushing) but you aren't getting significant roster player(s) for him. 

[ponokasabre]

Kevin Weekes has posted that there is good interest in Byram from plenty of teams, so hopefully that helps with offers

[OverPowerYou]

How about not trading Casey, that would’ve solved this 

[LGR4GM]

12 minutes ago, OverPowerYou said:

How about not trading Casey, that would’ve solved this 

You want Casey Mittelstadt on this team?

[JohnC]

5 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Adams is a terrible poker player. 

He's not even good at solitaire. He constantly loses to himself. Pegula didn't use a rope to strangle this franchise because he choked it to death with his franchise crushing hirings. It's bad enough that he hired him but what's worse is that he retained him. Just freaking stupid!