Time to trade Peterka

[LGR4GM]

6 minutes ago, JohnC said:

For me it is He’s crushed this franchise. If you  don’t like the comment just ignore it. Simple solution. 

No, it's ***** impossible to ignore. Every post from you is the same thing over and over and over. 450 variations of Pegula and Adams suck. Everyone knows already. 

1 minute ago, Pimlach said:

I think we are past that.   We can see how poorly this run.  Loyalty goes both ways. 

 

Agreed

 

[Mr. Allen]

35 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

Joe Marino suggested a JJP for Jordan Kyrou swap. It needs to be done before 7/1 as Kyrou has a NMC starting then. This would be a great deal for Buffalo. Kyrou is signed long term at 8.125 AAV

Is there a reason Blues would want to do this?  

[LGR4GM]

Just now, Mr. Allen said:

Is there a reason Blues would want to do this?  

Capspace and age? Wanna get younger

[Mr. Allen]

5 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Capspace and age? Wanna get younger

Shoot.  Works for us.

[ponokasabre]

Just now, Mr. Allen said:

Shoot.  Works for us.

ya Kyrou would be a big get

i know we are giving up the younger player but man Kyrou is a great player 

[Mr. Allen]

7 minutes ago, ponokasabre said:

ya Kyrou would be a big get

i know we are giving up the younger player but man Kyrou is a great player 

Can he play defence?

[Palm Trees And Taxes]

3 hours ago, Second Line Center said:

So Pegula’s play is get to about 5,000 fans a game and thus have the excuse to finally sell the team to an owner that will be moving them to Houston? 
 

Or Atlanta for the 3rd time? 

Is that how this plays out?  

The Houston Sabres? Well at least Kevyn can have his yearned for Palm Trees and No taxes 

[Carmel Corn]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Allen said:

Can he play defence?

How about goalie?  (just kidding)

[Thorny]

1 hour ago, That Aud Smell said:

when did you start peddling in troll sh1t?

It’s a good question 

Probably a defence mechanism

- - - 

Thinking about it, I also probably achieve a level of satisfaction by vaguely alluding to arguments I feel I’ve been right/specifically salient about in the past (in this case, Eichel) when I’ve rightly/wrongly perceived it to be an issue where I was in the vast minority (called the captain of said minority many times, in fact)  

I don’t know that it rises to the level of trolling without quoting anyone specifically, but I’m not opposed to the argument that it’s the essence of what I’m doing 

Edited 22 hours ago by Thorny

[Pimlach]

2 hours ago, Brawndo said:

Joe Marino suggested a JJP for Jordan Kyrou swap. It needs to be done before 7/1 as Kyrou has a NMC starting then. This would be a great deal for Buffalo. Kyrou is signed long term at 8.125 AAV

This one is a maybe and maybe not.  

I have friends in St Louis telling me Kyrou is in the dog house for his playoff performances and that his two way game is not up to par.  He is skilled but unwilling to play Blues style hockey. 

So would the Blues would be interested in getting a very similar player in JJP (struggles with 2 way game), so maybe not? 

Since they can sign JJP for less $$, and less term, and get out of the Kyrou deal, so maybe.  

Edited 21 hours ago by Pimlach

[Thorny]

1 hour ago, PerreaultForever said:

I won't. I do not blame any Sabre for wanting out. If you were drafted by them and after 5 years of futility saw this stay the course attitude wouldn't you want out? 

Congrats you passed my test 

prize behind door 3

[Thorny]

55 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Every post doesn't need to be about Pegula and how much he sucks. 

46 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

I think we are past that.   We can see how poorly this run.  Loyalty goes both ways. 

 

Door 3

[DarthEbriate]

Kyrou consistently puts up powerplay points, which JJP hasn't really managed yet (limited sample size). However, Kyrou is another soft-checking winger. Is he a full-potential Rosen?

I think Peterka has a higher upside than Kyrou and would meet it on a team with structure and expectations (even if misguided, given their division), like St. Louis. Like, Kyrou doesn't fit them and is a 70-point player. JJP would be an 80-point player with them through his prime. And then it's a question of how long does it take him to play defense well enough to win a playoff series -- the same question the Sabres would need to find the answer to (if they ever made it).

[7+6=13]

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

For me it is He’s crushed this franchise. If you  don’t like the comment just ignore it. Simple solution. 

Maybe he should get a couple tips from the owner of the Bills and Bandits to build a base of, what was it called, "Raucous Bandit fans".

One poster on SS keeps repeating himself that an upgraded goalie and a few mid level player (no blockbuster) moves, would make the Sabres a playoff team.  Would you mind explaining to him that he shouldn't feel that way because this is the worst situation in the entire NHL?

[Pimlach]

32 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

Kyrou consistently puts up powerplay points, which JJP hasn't really managed yet (limited sample size). However, Kyrou is another soft-checking winger. Is he a full-potential Rosen?

I think Peterka has a higher upside than Kyrou and would meet it on a team with structure and expectations (even if misguided, given their division), like St. Louis. Like, Kyrou doesn't fit them and is a 70-point player. JJP would be an 80-point player with them through his prime. And then it's a question of how long does it take him to play defense well enough to win a playoff series -- the same question the Sabres would need to find the answer to (if they ever made it).

Kyrou is a 30 goal scorer and has 150 goals in 416 games. Rosen is looking like maybe someday a 3rd line player.  I do not see anything in Rosen that indicate 30 goals and 70+ points.  

I would think the Blues would ask for something more with JJP for Kyrou. 

[Archie Lee]

I wouldn’t hate Peterka for Kyrou. It is at least getting an established NHL player in return. They are offensively similar and I think Kyrou’s defensive game has improved. 

Kyrou is 4 years older than Peterka. Like Peterka he was a 2nd round pick. He was drafted out of major junior by a St Louis team full of vets, so there was no quick path to the NHL like Peterka had. In his D5 year, which Peterka just completed, Kyrou had 35 points in 55 games (Covid year).  Since then he has put up offensive numbers equal to what Peterka did this year (73 pts per 82 games). Kyrou signed his current 8 year 8.13 million per year deal, after his D7 year.  One way to look at is that Kyrou has proven he is a 70-75 point winger, and JJP hasn’t quite yet. Another way to look at it is we are giving up 4 prime years in a similar player’s career.  And then there is the possibility Peterka is only scratching the surface of his offensive output  

If there is a team out there that really likes Peterka, I could see him getting an offer sheet in the $9 million range, where the Sabres would not match;  the cost would be a 1st, 2nd and 3rd.  If Peterka’s offensive ceiling is just a bit higher than what he has shown, then he is likely going to be worth $9 million per year in the not distant future. Seems crazy, but…

Edited 21 hours ago by Archie Lee

[Pimlach]

1 hour ago, Palm Trees And Taxes said:

The Houston Sabres? Well at least Kevyn can have his yearned for Palm Trees and No taxes 

Houston has to be my least favorite big city to visit.  I just hate it there.  

Moving the team to Houston and keeping the name Sabres would be the worst thing that can happen.  When the Buffalo Braves became the San Diego Clippers the name change provided me with enough insulation to let them go. 

[Weave]

7 hours ago, Thorny said:

So when do we all turn on JJ for asking out? 

On the first day he dons a new sweater.

[rickshaw]

JJ doesn’t have much leverage.

If he wants out that’s fine but the way I see it is, he’s Sabres property and they own his rights for two more years. He can sign a bridge deal and keep proving his worth. But he still has to perform or he won’t get more down the road. 
If he’s traded and it’s an even swap or upgrade where needed that’s fine too.

If he offer sheeted and signs it, he better hope it’s for the over $9 million per otherwise we will just match it and he’s here longer. I would hope we can tell him he’s not going anywhere and he keeps getting better. But he’s in no position to dictate things. 
 

I’m rambling but if we don’t want to move him and he’s that unhappy then he can hold out and we can just sit him. Play hardball. It does him no good to sulk. We can’t just farm out players as they start hitting their stride. 

[Night Train]

We could start a " Time To Trade  ____ "  thread and drop 16 different names...

We're not even close to being a playoff team now.  Hopefully, The new advisor will stab Adams with a poison dart a week before FA and the draft.. I have dreams..

[Carmel Corn]

2 hours ago, Pimlach said:

Houston has to be my least favorite big city to visit.  I just hate it there.  

Moving the team to Houston and keeping the name Sabres would be the worst thing that can happen.  When the Buffalo Braves became the San Diego Clippers the name change provided me with enough insulation to let them go. 

If that ever happens, that team would be dead to me.  I might actually hope they achieve an even more incredible level of incompetency....if that is even possible.

[That Aud Smell]

4 hours ago, Thorny said:

It’s a good question 

Probably a defence mechanism

- - - 

Thinking about it, I also probably achieve a level of satisfaction by vaguely alluding to arguments I feel I’ve been right/specifically salient about in the past (in this case, Eichel) when I’ve rightly/wrongly perceived it to be an issue where I was in the vast minority (called the captain of said minority many times, in fact)  

I don’t know that it rises to the level of trolling without quoting anyone specifically, but I’m not opposed to the argument that it’s the essence of what I’m doing 

Yeah man. There are levels. You’re operating on levels I don’t occupy but can dimly perceive.

[Brawndo]

7 hours ago, Pimlach said:

This one is a maybe and maybe not.  

I have friends in St Louis telling me Kyrou is in the dog house for his playoff performances and that his two way game is not up to par.  He is skilled but unwilling to play Blues style hockey. 

So would the Blues would be interested in getting a very similar player in JJP (struggles with 2 way game), so maybe not? 

Since they can sign JJP for less $$, and less term, and get out of the Kyrou deal, so maybe.  

I cheer for a team that has not made the playoffs in 14 years therefore I will not complain about any player being a non playoff performer until the Sabres qualify. 
 

Kyrou was second on the team in scoring, he would have been second on the Sabres as well.

In terms of his two way game, only Dylan Holloway had better defensive metrics amongst their top six forwards per Evolving Hockey and he did lead the Blues with a +23.  Kyrou was in the 72nd percentile while JJP was in the 2nd percentile this past season. In full disclosure Kyrou was in the 24th percentile for his 23 year old season. 
 

Still the most likely scenario is JJP signs a two year bridge deal with Buffalo. 

[That Aud Smell]

15 hours ago, Pimlach said:

Houston has to be my least favorite big city to visit.  I just hate it there.  

A city with no navel.

(I'm borrowing what Brendan Behan once said about L.A.)

[JohnC]

17 hours ago, Pimlach said:

This one is a maybe and maybe not.  

I have friends in St Louis telling me Kyrou is in the dog house for his playoff performances and that his two way game is not up to par.  He is skilled but unwilling to play Blues style hockey. 

So would the Blues would be interested in getting a very similar player in JJP (struggles with 2 way game), so maybe not? 

Since they can sign JJP for less $$, and less term, and get out of the Kyrou deal, so maybe.  

The way you describe Kyrou's style of play it seems similar to JJP's game. If that's the case, then it would make more sense to stick with the younger player who has shown scoring prowess with more potential to tap. Peterka has gotten enough playing time where he's not a young player trying to find his game. No question that he needs to improve on the defensive side of the game, as do most young players. Is he willing and have the desire to do so? I don't know. Is he determined to be somewhere else? I don't know. But if he's still receptive to being here then maybe the best approach is to give him a bridge deal as @Brawndo  recommended.