Jason Robertson rumored to be on the trade block

[ponokasabre]

21 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

I don't see why you'd have to move Clifton in this scenario if they are moving Byram as rumored. They are not cap crunched. Clifton would be overpaid, but we'd have depth.

I meant for the cap space, as adding Robertson and Dumba would be about 10 million in cap

I think Cliffton and Dumba would actually probably be almost the same player so I think you only need one moving forward

[thewookie1]

Before anything, I’d need to know Robertson’s ask for his contract. I’m not entertaining a asset laden trade for a 1 year rental or a rent with another trade at the deadline.

The contract must be manageable and not interfere with Tuch re-signing.  

[Archie Lee]

The Athletic ran a story today on the Stars and trading Robertson. A lot to chew on, but my summary is:

- his next contract likely pays him $10.5-11 million per over 7-8 years

- given his young age and the increasing cap, it will likely be worth it

- lots of teams will, and should, be interested 

- there’s lots to like in his game, but also a few red flags: what impact does playing with Hintz have on his game? and, the reason he is available might be because his playoff performances over the years have not been great and the Stars may have decided they need more (ie: Rantanen) 

 

[ponokasabre]

15 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

The Athletic ran a story today on the Stars and trading Robertson. A lot to chew on, but my summary is:

- his next contract likely pays him $10.5-11 million per over 7-8 years

- given his young age and the increasing cap, it will likely be worth it

- lots of teams will, and should, be interested 

- there’s lots to like in his game, but also a few red flags: what impact does playing with Hintz have on his game? and, the reason he is available might be because his playoff performances over the years have not been great and the Stars may have decided they need more (ie: Rantanen) 

 

Man I’ll admit I didn’t watch too many Dallas games but the ones I did Robertson looked good, and his shot is insane 

 

I would take this gamble all day everyday, at 10-11 per season that is so doable 

[PerreaultForever]

5 hours ago, inkman said:

Dallas will need someone to play D?  

Well sure you can give them Clifton, I'm just saying we don't HAVE to move Clifton to do this. But it won't be happening. With Marchment moved I suspect they'll find a way to keep Robertson. 

5 hours ago, ponokasabre said:

I meant for the cap space, as adding Robertson and Dumba would be about 10 million in cap

I think Cliffton and Dumba would actually probably be almost the same player so I think you only need one moving forward

I can't be bothered getting into these cap discussions. It's easy to get back under cap. You just give somebody away. Hey Philly you want Samuelsson for a 7th rounder future considerations? Boom, done. It's easy to off load players. If not him somebody else. 

Edited 20 hours ago by PerreaultForever

[Mr. Allen]

29 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

With Marchment moved I suspect they'll find a way to keep Robertson.  

Dang.  Just when I started to get excited about the possibility. 

[dudacek]

1 hour ago, Mr. Allen said:

Dang.  Just when I started to get excited about the possibility. 

I think it’s 14 players signed, essentially Marchments contract under the cap.

Good GM’s find a way but there’s also Robertson raise to consider 

[inkman]

brah just kill me now 

[LGR4GM]

Even with that move the Dallas Stars have major cap issues. 

They need at least 4 more forwards and will have to spend at least 1 mill on a defender to give them 7. 

At minimum that's 12f, 7d, 2g. That's 21 players and realistically they need another forward and defender but let's do bare minimum. They have 4.9 million to sign 5 guys to simply ice a full roster. That doesn't even account for injury issues. They need another move if not 2 to clear space. 

If you can sell them jjp and he bridges for 2x5 or 3x6 which is the estimates, you can add another 1.75-2.75 in cap while also not downgrading (if they believe that) your roster as much. I wonder if they'd dump Nils Lundqvist who's arbitration eligible for Kyrou who is on an ELC? Could save them another million bucks. 

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

Even with that move the Dallas Stars have major cap issues. 

They need at least 4 more forwards and will have to spend at least 1 mill on a defender to give them 7. 

At minimum that's 12f, 7d, 2g. That's 21 players and realistically they need another forward and defender but let's do bare minimum. They have 4.9 million to sign 5 guys to simply ice a full roster. That doesn't even account for injury issues. They need another move if not 2 to clear space. 

If you can sell them jjp and he bridges for 2x5 or 3x6 which is the estimates, you can add another 1.75-2.75 in cap while also not downgrading (if they believe that) your roster as much. I wonder if they'd dump Nils Lundqvist who's arbitration eligible for Kyrou who is on an ELC? Could save them another million bucks. 

If JJP going to bridge for that amount why wouldn't we keep him? I get Robertson is a better talent but for the difference in cap space am not sure it's worth going after. Instead keep JJP and pursue a 2C or 2W. If he's available as some rumors suggest I'd go after Dawson Mercer. 

[mjd1001]

18 hours ago, Archie Lee said:

The Athletic ran a story today on the Stars and trading Robertson. A lot to chew on, but my summary is:

- there’s lots to like in his game, but also a few red flags: what impact does playing with Hintz have on his game? and, the reason he is available might be because his playoff performances over the years have not been great and the Stars may have decided they need more (ie: Rantanen) 

 

Look at the stats and the analytics over the past 3 seasons combined, Everything points to him playing without Hintz doesn't change his game that much. But Hints playing without Robertson is a bigger issue.

Hintz needs Robertson WAY MORE than Robertson needs Hintz.

To break it down another way:

When Robertson was on the ice in the past 3 seasons without Hintz, the team scored a goal every 23.8 minutes

When Hints was on the ice in the past 3 seasons without Robertson, the team scored a goal every 42.2 minutes.

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by mjd1001

[sabresouth]

Also remember Robertson was injured and came back halfway through the playoffs. He was just starting to get back to form when they were eliminated 

[French Collection]

I am at a point where an overpayment of prospects and picks is OK. You don’t need to worry about winning the trade in the long term, just get the better player now.

[ponokasabre]

6 minutes ago, French Collection said:

I am at a point where an overpayment of prospects and picks is OK. You don’t need to worry about winning the trade in the long term, just get the better player now.

Especially if you are getting Robertson, that is like the Reinhart deal or the Eichel deal in reverse, I dont think either team would be upset over what they gave up to get the best player

[FrenchConnection44]

I'd rather trade JJP and Power (and a prospect) in a Robertson deal. 

Is that not feasible? 

[The Jokeman]

9 minutes ago, FrenchConnection44 said:

I'd rather trade JJP and Power (and a prospect) in a Robertson deal. 

Is that not feasible? 

Seems like an overpay to me as think most feel we'd be adding Robertson to give the Stars more cap room. So the thought is trade them JJP whom they can sign for less than $7.75 they'd be willing to make the trade since JJP may not be as good as Robertson but fair compensation for less cap room. Power's due to get $8.35 million next season so I highly doubt Dallas would add him unless they give us Robertson and some other player with a bad contract which is dumb of the Sabres as again we're trying to improve not worsen this team. 

[dudacek]

12 minutes ago, FrenchConnection44 said:

I'd rather trade JJP and Power (and a prospect) in a Robertson deal. 

Is that not feasible? 

Over what?

Personally I would not consider trading that package for Robertson.

The upgrade in one of our deepest positions is not worth the gaping long-term hole on D.

[Drag0nDan]

3 minutes ago, FrenchConnection44 said:

I'd rather trade JJP and Power (and a prospect) in a Robertson deal. 

Is that not feasible? 

Powers contracts too high to move, and they couldn't sign byram either.  They're pretty much needing ELC contributors and a big piece to replace Robertson.

I'm not sure they move him this year though - Moving dumba and lyubushkin can save them 7M, they can probably move lundkvist's RFA tender for an ELC forward.  

Next year i think there's more urgency to trade him as both him and Harley are coming up and with rantanen's deal in place i don't know how you can pay two wingers 24M and roster a team.  

[dudacek]

I would also think the Stars adding salary is counter to what they are looking for.

Ideally they would want to save a million or 2 on JE for JJ and get a useful ELC player or two as a sweetener

[JohnC]

Why would Dallas trade Jason Robertson? That would make no sense for them. Dallas is a serious SC contending team. They have a top tier goalie who is capable of keeping their thick team in cup contention. This is a period of time where you go for it, not slide back because of cap stresses. 
 

Dallas is a serious franchise with championship aspirations. They are a first rate operation that is not going to act like a third rate penny pinching franchise like the mocked Sabres. Dallas is not going to strip its team of a key player because of the cap pressure. The Stars will make some tough decisions and do what they have to do to work within the cap. Especially while this group is capable of vying for the SC, they are not going to shed any of their essential players and set themselves back while they are on the doorstep is a championship. Their franchise is an adult franchise while the Sabre franchise sits at the table set aside for the children. That’s the reality.