Sabres interested in Marco Rossi

[dudacek]

I'm not sure what value Samuelsson has, but I suspect there's some.

It's a little like a lower case Cozens; two years of poor play deflated his value, but didn't completely wipe out the impression he made earlier in his NHL career and before it. 

He's a 6'4" 230-pound D-man who just turned 25; there will be GMs who see that and blame his troubles on an element of Buffalo stink.

Also people tend to overrate the burden of his contract. 

The average NHL salary this coming year is $4.1M, two years from now, it will be nearly $5M

I'm not saying 5 more years in what should be his prime at a rate slightly below average doesnt represent an overpay, but it's not an utter boat anchor.

Edited Wednesday at 11:19 PM by dudacek

[Wyldnwoody44]

I remember when Rossi fell to us in that draft and the Sabres picked Quinn who, if I remember correctly, was ranked in the upper teens. I think we tried to justify that it was a sneaky good pick. Ultimately, that failed and he appears to be a poor player for the top 6.

I wanted Rossi at the time, and I think I'd like Rossi now still. 

[ponokasabre]

6 minutes ago, dudacek said:

I'm not sure what value Samuelsson has, but I suspect there's some.

It's a little like a lower case Cozens; two years of poor play deflated his value, but didn't completely wipe out the impression he made earlier in his NHL career and before it. 

He's a 6'4" 230-pound D-man who just turned 25; there will be GMs who see that and blame his troubles an element of Buffalo stink.

Also people tend to overrate the burden of his contract. 

The average NHL salary this coming year is $4.1M, two years from now, it will be nearly $5M

I'm not saying 5 more years in what should be his prime at a rate slightly below average may represent an overpay, but it's not an utter boat anchor.

I agree with this 100 percent, Remeber we all thought Risto had no value and he was flipped for a 1st, another pick and Hagg I beleive

 

There will always be teams willing to bet on size, I truly think there will be a hockey trade type of swap for him, I cant think of who that player might be, but I do think its possible

[inkman]

7 minutes ago, Wyldnwoody44 said:

I remember when Rossi fell to us in that draft and the Sabres picked Quinn who, if I remember correctly, was ranked in the upper teens. I think we tried to justify that it was a sneaky good pick. Ultimately, that failed and he appears to be a poor player for the top 6.

I wanted Rossi at the time, and I think I'd like Rossi now still. 

Every wanna be GM was creaming in their jeans about Rossi. It quickly became the most tired thing on Sabres twitter.  Quinn’s trajectory was higher but ultimately injuries and poor development have turned him into a mediocre NHL player at best.  Glad you can lay one more I told you so at the feet of fans who just want someone or anyone to actually be good. 

[dudacek]

I’m not convinced Rossi is better than Quinn.

He certainly was last year, but that was the first time you could say that since they turned pro.

Quinn has better tools and their career stats are virtually identical.

Edited Wednesday at 11:24 PM by dudacek

[Wyldnwoody44]

1 hour ago, inkman said:

Every wanna be GM was creaming in their jeans about Rossi. It quickly became the most tired thing on Sabres twitter.  Quinn’s trajectory was higher but ultimately injuries and poor development have turned him into a mediocre NHL player at best.  Glad you can lay one more I told you so at the feet of fans who just want someone or anyone to actually be good. 

I also remember when Quinn was looking pretty good and then the achilles happened. That's a rough injury, especially in hockey where that tendon is always grinding on he back of the skate and changes the ability to dynamically shift. Hell, I have tendinitis only in my achilles and that #hit sucks, couldn't imagine being a pro with a rupture. 

I'm not sure Quinn for Rossi changes our team at all in the long run. But then again I don't know what the Hell to do with this team. 

[oddoublee]

1 hour ago, dudacek said:

I’m not convinced Rossi is better than Quinn.

He certainly was last year, but that was the first time you could say that since they turned pro.

Quinn has better tools and their career stats are virtually identical.

I don't know...they have both played 2 full seasons and rossi statistically and corsi outperformed him.

I hope Quinn fully healthy blossoms, because if Norris can stay healthy....we needs goal scorers on the wing. 

Although a Norris, Tage and Rossi C spine does sound 'neat'

[dudacek]

13 minutes ago, oddoublee said:

I don't know...they have both played 2 full seasons and rossi statistically and corsi outperformed him.

I hope Quinn fully healthy blossoms, because if Norris can stay healthy....we needs goal scorers on the wing. 

Although a Norris, Tage and Rossi C spine does sound 'neat'

Rossi has 101 points in 185 games, Quinn has 97 in 178. Not sure you can get much closer 🤷

[GoPuckYourself]

9 hours ago, JP51 said:

Ok I will elaborate ... the title said the "Sabres interested in Marco Rossi..."  my response was Yes I am interested in Carrie Underwood too...  the dripping sarcastic innuendo is that they have as much likelihood in getting Marco Rossi as I do Carrie Underwood...  essentially saying, I dont believe us getting Marco Rossi is likely to happen.   

[dudacek]

Is it fair to say Rossi today is pretty much what we hope Konsta Helenius will be in 4 or 5 years?

A little more solidly built, but similar game and skillset?

[LGR4GM]

14 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Is it fair to say Rossi today is pretty much what we hope Konsta Helenius will be in 4 or 5 years?

A little more solidly built, but similar game and skillset?

Helenius would need to ramp up his motor but yes, impo at least. 

[oddoublee]

9 hours ago, dudacek said:

Rossi has 101 points in 185 games, Quinn has 97 in 178. Not sure you can get much closer 🤷

I'm simply looking at what each did with full bodies of work over the course of a full season. 15-20 game seasons mean very little to me, personally. 

[LGR4GM]

I've thought on it. I'd rather spend assets on a different player that brings the same jam but has a few more qualities to their game. 

[JP51]

8 hours ago, GoPuckYourself said:

[WhenWillItEnd66]

I am happy to say this, but no thank you. Another smaller sized player that plays a smaller size game. I guess nobody is watching the playoffs with that crush kill destroy style of play. We do need more skill, but it needs to be abrasive and able to play against an abrasive style of hockey that the top teams play. The goal of this team should not be making the 8th spot, it needs to be a cup. This is far far far from a cup team!

[The Jokeman]

19 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

I actually or oddly enough, have faith in Norris. 

One can only hope he recovers what ever he broke before getting here otherwise he's a just a waste of cap space. 

[LGR4GM]

14 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

One can only hope he recovers what ever he broke before getting here otherwise he's a just a waste of cap space. 

Well the original issue was a shoulder that Ottawa screwed up getting fixed and that's good now. Supposedly this injury was an oblique he hurt in Ottawa. If the shoulder is good, he might actually not be injured all the time but we'll see. Having hope is just my way if coping, Norris could log 50 games and we could miss for the 15th yr pretty easily. 

[xzy89c1]

Rossi is the guy many on this board thought we should have drafted instead of Quinn right?

[Doohickie]

17 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Here's the thing, you trade for Rossi, Rosen and Östlund are basically redundant pieces here now. Rosen already is but, and ik some of you will be shocked, you can't run a forward group of 5'11" forwards. It's just not gonna work. 

You can fit Rossi and Benson on the roster and Helenius has a chance but adding Östlund and Rosen... meh. 

It's a question of timing.  Rossi is here (in the NHL) now.  The rest still have the p-word attached to them:  Potential.

Bring in Rossi and you don't have to rush others up.  Östlund will no doubt find his way into the lineup this season anyway; there's no way the team will remain injury free.

And for the record... Rosen is a winger, not a center.

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, Doohickie said:

It's a question of timing.  Rossi is here (in the NHL) now.  The rest still have the p-word attached to them:  Potential.

Bring in Rossi and you don't have to rush others up.  Östlund will no doubt find his way into the lineup this season anyway; there's no way the team will remain injury free.

And for the record... Rosen is a winger, not a center.

But can I find better than Rossi is the question. 

[Doohickie]

True, I think I'd rather have someone with more experience and grit.  But can I actually get my hands on such a commodity?

[Pimlach]

22 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

I actually or oddly enough, have faith in Norris. 

He is a very good player when healthy. 

What will it take for him to stay healthy?  He averages ~48  games per season so far in his career.   So I do not have faith in him, but I can hope.  

This is the life of a Sabres fan - faith and hope.  

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, Pimlach said:

He is a very good player when healthy. 

What will it take for him to stay healthy?  He averages ~48  games per season so far in his career.   So I do not have faith in him, but I can hope.  

This is the life of a Sabres fan - faith and hope.  

[Taro T]

9 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

But can I find better than Rossi is the question. 

Wadr, no, that is not the question.

The question is: can Kevyn Adams find better?

Survey says: probably not.

[shrader]

18 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

I really hope they threw a curveball with that one and Kelly was cast as faith.