Sabres looking for Senior Advisor for Adams and Hockey Department

[Standing Room Smoking Cigs]

This is a Ruff move. Pegs know Adams is not sustainable and he giving Ruff the keys. I really think last year Lindy came in agreeing to terms but knowing he would walk if his voice wasn't heard, a probation period upon his terms. This is a transition of power and like I said earlier, it's Ruff's vision now, better or worse

[GoPuckYourself]

Imagine you have to report to a guy who has been a failure for 5 years, what former GM who isn't incompetent himself is going to take that on? 15 years incoming.

[JP51]

1 minute ago, DarthEbriate said:

We're going to need a photo/meme of a Wormtongue whispering to a Wormtongue whispering to a Wormtongue whispering to a Theoden

Winner! 

[Mango]

7 minutes ago, Standing Room Smoking Cigs said:

This is a Ruff move. Pegs know Adams is not sustainable and he giving Ruff the keys. I really think last year Lindy came in agreeing to terms but knowing he would walk if his voice wasn't heard, a probation period upon his terms. This is a transition of power and like I said earlier, it's Ruff's vision now, better or worse

I've advocated this but I don't think this is what's happening.

I thought Ruff into a POHO/Senior Advisor role and/or one of the assistant GMs he's worked with comes over as GM.

If it were Ruffs ship to captain I'd assume we'd hear about shanges in the coaching staff.

However, I do think that Ruff did have his hands in getting rid of Cozens and adding Norris, Zucker, and McLeod 

I just don't think it's the dramatic shift you're implying.

[LGR4GM]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

I've advocated this but I don't think this is what's happening.

I thought Ruff into a POHO/Senior Advisor role and/or one of the assistant GMs he's worked with comes over as GM.

If it were Ruffs ship to captain I'd assume we'd hear about shanges in the coaching staff.

However, I do think that Ruff did have his hands in getting rid of Cozens and adding Norris, Zucker, and McLeod 

I just don't think it's the dramatic shift you're implying.

Analytics added McLeod. 

[Standing Room Smoking Cigs]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

I've advocated this but I don't think this is what's happening.

I thought Ruff into a POHO/Senior Advisor role and/or one of the assistant GMs he's worked with comes over as GM.

If it were Ruffs ship to captain I'd assume we'd hear about shanges in the coaching staff.

However, I do think that Ruff did have his hands in getting rid of Cozens and adding Norris, Zucker, and McLeod 

I just don't think it's the dramatic shift you're implying.

Like I said better or worse, but it is least a change.

[JP51]

2 minutes ago, Mango said:

I've advocated this but I don't think this is what's happening.

I thought Ruff into a POHO/Senior Advisor role and/or one of the assistant GMs he's worked with comes over as GM.

If it were Ruffs ship to captain I'd assume we'd hear about shanges in the coaching staff.

However, I do think that Ruff did have his hands in getting rid of Cozens and adding Norris, Zucker, and McLeod 

I just don't think it's the dramatic shift you're implying.

I think the key here is.... Changes to the coaches that he inherited... the fact that they are all still here in the same positions that they were tells me what I need to know about the power of Ruff... either he has no power... or his power and vision is not going to move us forward...  I suspect its the former...  

[Taro T]

Curious how Karmanos and Ventura react to the recent news.  Guessing that it isn't THAT big of a deal if they bolt for greener pastures as having them in town for the last 4 or so years hasn't appreciably affected the results on the ice.  But, still, expect their leaving would be another bad thing to happen in this "offseason of hope."

Maybe they're cool with the changes.  But, personally would expect they want to get closer to the GM chair themselves, not farther from it.

[Standing Room Smoking Cigs]

Don't be surprised if Weber is in the fold by Draft Day

Edited 16 hours ago by Standing Room Smoking Cigs
new wording

[dudacek]

15 minutes ago, Standing Room Smoking Cigs said:

Don't be surprised if Weber is in the fold by Draft Day

Mike? Inside info, or a feeling?

is his contract up in St. Louis?

I could see it, given organizational connections and trends, and the need to replace Wilford.

[Standing Room Smoking Cigs]

3 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Mike? Inside info, or a feeling?

is his contract up in St. Louis?

I could see it, given organizational connections and trends, and the need to replace Wilford.

Weber is a Ruff guy, call him associate coach to get out of the contract. Feeling but yeah, he is no soft guy

[dudacek]

44 minutes ago, Ctaeth said:

Going to be tough to find a former GM to play the "Kevyn Adams support role".  Anyone accepting that position... I immediately question their thought process

I don't.

if you are Jarmo, or Kenny Holland, or Pierre Dorion, or God knows who, this might be your fastest ticket back to a GM seat.

If Adams succeeds, you can sell yourself as a guy who helped finally turn it around in Buffalo. If he doesn't you could find yourself steering the ship by Christmas.

Short of an actual GM job offer, or a similar offer from a better franchise, this is a great opportunity.

[Thorny]

Yes I am sure a position under Adams will attract the shiniest of candidates 

[Standing Room Smoking Cigs]

2 minutes ago, dudacek said:

I don't.

if you are Jarmo, or Kenny Holland, or Pierre Dorion, or God knows who, this might be your fastest ticket back to a GM seat.

If Adams succeeds, you can sell yourself as a guy who helped finally turn it around in Buffalo. If he doesn't you could find yourself steering the ship by Christmas.

Short of an actual GM job offer, or a similar offer from a better franchise, this is a great opportunity.

Adams is irreverent, but hey at least when NHL free agency opens July, he'll have his buddies hanging down in  Chautauqua... Forgetting NHl free agency has opened

[GASabresIUFAN]

How about Rob Blake.

[Thorny]

There are rumours out there certain franchises are begging the likes of Holland to run their teams. He would never, ever have to lower himself to this 

1 minute ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

How about Rob Blake.

Not in a million years under Adams 

[Standing Room Smoking Cigs]

Just now, GASabresIUFAN said:

How about Rob Blake.

I rather bring in Ryan Miller

[Archie Lee]

This is the front office equivalent to last year's 4th line "upgrades". Yes, I am now fully a cynic.

 

[Second Line Center]

So my interpretation is this is Terry giving Adams till probably Thanksgiving to get it right.  
 

Which, is just dumb.  

Edited 15 hours ago by Second Line Center

[JustOneParade]

What in the holy hell is this team doing? Just a muddled, incompetent mess of an organization.

[dudacek]

3 minutes ago, Second Line Center said:

So my interpretation is this is Terry giving Adams till probably Thanksgiving to get it right.  
 

Which, is just dumb.  &nbsp 

Seriously, it seems so obvious.

It's about giving Terry a safety net and a chance to get to know him.

[Weave]

4 minutes ago, Second Line Center said:

So my interpretation is this is Terry giving Adams till probably Thanksgiving to get it right.  
 

Which, is just dumb.  &nbsp 

Like I said, this is the hockey equivalent of a performance improvement plan.  One missed goal and he’s gone.

[Thorny]

36 minutes ago, JustOneParade said:

What in the holy hell is this team doing? Just a muddled, incompetent mess of an organization.

It’s created an unaddressable conflict of interest for me, it’s so far gone: what could I possibly root for next year? The options have been dialed down to the sabres either missing the playoffs for a 15th straight year or the worst GM I’ve ever seen (all aspects included) being granted an extension.

cant do it. That’s why I drew the line. Adams behaviour over the course of the last year has actually made it more clear 

Edited 15 hours ago by Thorny

[Brawndo]

1 hour ago, Taro T said:

Curious how Karmanos and Ventura react to the recent news.  Guessing that it isn't THAT big of a deal if they bolt for greener pastures as having them in town for the last 4 or so years hasn't appreciably affected the results on the ice.  But, still, expect their leaving would be another bad thing to happen in this "offseason of hope."

Maybe they're cool with the changes.  But, personally would expect they want to get closer to the GM chair themselves, not farther from it.

The Buffalo News is speculating that Karamanos may leave after the Amerks Season Finishes.

Ventura probably goes with him. 
 

And then there is this 

 

So prepare for less McLeod Trades and more Beck Malenstyn ones

This organization is truly run by a bunch of ***** morons 

[That Aud Smell]

4 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

The Buffalo News is speculating that Karamanos may leave after the Amerks Season Finishes.

Ventura probably goes with him. 

Lance says Karmanos is a goner.

"The Sabres have needed experienced advisers around Adams since he started, and associate general manager Jason Karmanos may not return to the organization in 2025-26, sources also told The Buffalo News. He wasn't involved in exit interviews or owner Terry Pegula's end-of-season discussion with Adams and Ruff. Jerry Forton, previously the amateur scouting director, added pro scouting duties last summer with his promotion to assistant general manager. "

Talk about burying the lede.

https://buffalonews.com/sports/professional/nhl/sabres/article_e462baa5-8494-4a09-9688-6c2d370433f2.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

6 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

And then there is this 

 

So prepare for less McLeod Trades and more Beck Malenstyn ones

This organization is truly run by a bunch of ***** morons 

Lol - Appert with an increased role. The franchise is truly doomed.

Also, I think that should read "if not official" role.