Friedman believes changes are coming to Sabres Front Office; UPL Available?

[JP51]

1 minute ago, dudacek said:

I think you're probably putting way too much weight on the past two years in Buffalo in terms of Karmanos' resume. Karmanos first two years in Buffalo, the team outstripped expectations. His Rochester teams have been very good over all 4 years. And then there's the 20+ years with Pittsburgh and Carolina and the 3 Stanley Cups.

As for the bold, I think the recent hiring of Jason Botterill is all you need to know about the importance of team records when it comes to GM hires. Here's some other recent hires:

• Craig Conroy was an inside promotion from a mediocre Flames organization
• Kyle Davidson was an inside promotion from a mediocre Hawks organization
• Steve Staios had one year as a special advisor in Edmonton after running a minor league team
• Briere and Drury were internal hires promoted after their GMS got fired
• Mike Grier hadn't even been an assistant GM, he was a special advisor plucked from the Rangers
• Patrick Allvin was a long-time Penguins scout, who spent a couple years there as GM.

GMs are business hires based largely on the impact their vision and presentation makes on the owner, supported by their reputation around the league. It's certainly not unheard of for the assistant GMs of top teams to make the step, but it would wrong to see that as the usual path.

Jim Rutherford reached out to Karmanos for the job Allvin got; It's my understanding its no the only time he's been considered.

Truth of the matter is that it's an old boys network.

Ok you guys are slowly talking me off the Karmanos ledge lol....  I still am in the he has helped preside over this mess and I want new eyes on this mode... but at least I am starting to see that there might be hope for change if we kept him...  still not there...  and absolutely AGMs are promoted... a lot of them internally, I just dont know that they have the horrible track record for futility on those teams that we do... I also would hope that a major change with a major GM may make it more likely that Pegula steps out and simply provides resources... my concern is an internal promotion facilitates the same owner dysfunction we have had for a long time...  ( although Briere and the Flyers have not been the poster child for organizational functionality. ) 

[Pimlach]

19 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Simple solution: Don't read the thread. It's like going to a Chinese restaurant when you hate Chinese food. And then afterwards, predictably complain about the food. Try Italian food instead. You might like the food better and it will fatten you up more. And don't forget to order the vino with it. If the food is not palatable, at least the wine will make up for it. 

You are confusing Italian food with North American Italian food. 

Italian food, if prepared and served correctly, is actually very healthy and nutricous.  Go to Italy and you wont see bloated obese people all over the place, just the opposite. 

They eat a lot of fresh seafood, fresh fruit and vegetables.  Way, way ,way less processed food, way less preservatives and chemicals in their food, way less junk food.  Their diet is healthy.  

Foods like pasta and pizza are also served in much smaller portions and prepared in healthier ways.  I want to live there full time.   

[JP51]

11 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

You are confusing Italian food with North American Italian food. 

Italian food, if prepared and served correctly, is actually very healthy and nutricous.  Go to Italy and you wont see bloated obese people all over the place, just the opposite. 

They eat a lot of fresh seafood, fresh fruit and vegetables.  Way, way ,way less processed food, way less preservatives and chemicals in their food, way less junk food.  Their diet is healthy.  

Foods like pasta and pizza are also served in much smaller portions and prepared in healthier ways.  I want to live there full time.   

portions are way smaller... even look at their tables... they arent putting out massive amounts of wine and beer they put out a few bottles and drink out of 4 oz glasses everyone shares...  their pastas are not using massive meat balls loaded with bread crumbs, they are using legumes and beans and lentils and vegetables (pasta broccoli , aspargaus is big...  they toss their pasta in a little bit of sauce, there is no 3 latel scoops on top of their pasta... they cook what is in season.. and fish is everywhere... fresh... things are handmade not processed... and the work they put in to make them honestly keeps them moving...  they waste nothing... there is always an option for stalks and stems and bones that we throw away.. they use more fresh herbs and much less salt..  

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[dudacek]

12 minutes ago, JP51 said:

Ok you guys are slowly talking me off the Karmanos ledge lol....  I still am in the he has helped preside over this mess and I want new eyes on this mode... but at least I am starting to see that there might be hope for change if we kept him...  still not there...  and absolutely AGMs are promoted... a lot of them internally, I just dont know that they have the horrible track record for futility on those teams that we do... I also would hope that a major change with a major GM may make it more likely that Pegula steps out and simply provides resources... my concern is an internal promotion facilitates the same owner dysfunction we have had for a long time...  ( although Briere and the Flyers have not been the poster child for organizational functionality. ) 

Yeah, I'm not advocating for Karmanos — on the contrary, I'd like to see an outside voice added and Adams flushed entirely — just pointing out that his resume might have as much credibility as many (most?) other GM hires.

[Pimlach]

3 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Yeah, I'm not advocating for Karmanos — on the contrary, I'd like to see an outside voice added and Adams flushed entirely — just pointing out that his resume might have as much credibility as many (most?) other GM hires.

I am in the exact same boat.   And giving him a shot at least shows there is opportunity for those that have achieved some success. 

[JP51]

21 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Yeah, I'm not advocating for Karmanos — on the contrary, I'd like to see an outside voice added and Adams flushed entirely — just pointing out that his resume might have as much credibility as many (most?) other GM hires.

Dont back out on me now LOL... I was just regaining hope LOL...  but seriously both you and @Pimlach raise fair points... my jaded self didnt consider... especially about the AHL focus and not NHL focus...  but I am with you both... I would really like to see a fresh start with indications from the owner he is going to do things differently... 

Edited 4 hours ago by JP51

[Thorny]

It's outrageous, that after five trials in the Supreme qualifications Court, Kevyn Gunray is still the Viceroy of the Sabres Federation

[Ogelthorpe]

2 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

Sullivan already signed in NYR

Did Rangers fire Peca?

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, Pimlach said:

You are confusing Italian food with North American Italian food. 

Italian food, if prepared and served correctly, is actually very healthy and nutricous.  Go to Italy and you wont see bloated obese people all over the place, just the opposite. 

They eat a lot of fresh seafood, fresh fruit and vegetables.  Way, way ,way less processed food, way less preservatives and chemicals in their food, way less junk food.  Their diet is healthy.  

Foods like pasta and pizza are also served in much smaller portions and prepared in healthier ways.  I want to live there full time.   

My mother, father and sister were born in Sicily. My father came first and worked in the steel mills in Cleveland and Buffalo before sending for my mother and sister. My parents didn’t speak English. 
 

I grew up at the time in a thoroughly Italian neighborhood in the West Side. We were not rich but proud. In general, my meals consisted of pasta yesterday, today and tomorrow. And the homemade wine was red. The meals that I consumed were not about health factors so much as limited budget issues. 

 

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, DarthEbriate said:

Don’t sell some greasy fried rice and noodles and kung pao short on its ability to fatten you up. And plum wine. 😇

I’m just looking forward to GMKA being the face of the franchise tonight during the lottery when some team leaps to the top and the Sabres end up with 8 overall. Just looking forward to Sheevyn’s smug smirk. Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.

When it comes to the Sabres predictability isn’t too difficult to do. 🙂

[Mango]

3 hours ago, Pimlach said:

The bolded is why I reacted.  Brandon Beane has a job with the Buffalo Bills and that is enough work for him.  I will assume you are just spit-balling and do not mean this.  

We don't need the Hockey GM to GTFO out of the way.  We need him to establish credibility to a tarnished franchise, to help build a winning culture, and to lead us to victory.  

Hockey is a different sport, and the NHL is a much different league,  and Brandon Beane is not going to fix anything on this hockey team.  

Every single year there is change in the NHL.  Every year there is FO, coaching, and player movement.   The Sabres have been content in the Adams/EEE era to play the slow game, to stockpile lottery tickets, wait for their prospects, and to "hope".   

According to rumors TP is looking at promoting the problem (Adams) up and maybe "out of the way".   If this is even true, it sounds like another desperately flawed plan.  We shall see.  

Round 1 of the playoffs are over. There is a two time Cup winning long standing NHL coach from his favorite city sitting out there.  Will Terry write a check, drill a well, and even attempt to fulfill his blather about hockey heaven for Buffalo?  

 

The BB thing was just a joke about the terrible state of the franchise. I am not advocating for Beane to actually leave his role with the Bills.

In general this franchise would be better off with literally anybody who knew enough to just back the fork off and hire somebody else underneath them who knows what they're doing.

The Sabres would be better off if they hired a pro scout from the Buffalo Bisons to be President of the team.

Edited 2 hours ago by Mango
Fat fingers

[JustOutsideChicago]

LA just cut ties with Blake and they made the playoffs. Sabres org is such a joke.

[Flashsabre]

Wait, so if your team underperforms you are allowed to make changes? What a wild concept

[Thorny]

2 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

Wait, so if your team underperforms you are allowed to make changes? What a wild concept

Are we thinking Adams is locked is as GM if he’s there tonight? 

It’s almost shocking - which is saying something considering what we’ve come to expect from this team 

Edited 3 hours ago by Thorny

[Archie Lee]

14 minutes ago, JustOutsideChicago said:

LA just cut ties with Blake and they made the playoffs. Sabres org is such a joke.

Under Blake, the Kings had a short rebuild. Over the last 4 years they averaged 49 wins and had an overall points % of .647. He could not get past McDavid and Draisatl. 
 

[Pimlach]

23 minutes ago, JohnC said:

My mother, father and sister were born in Sicily. My father came first and worked in the steel mills in Cleveland and Buffalo before sending for my mother and sister. My parents didn’t speak English. 
 

I grew up at the time in a thoroughly Italian neighborhood in the West Side. We were not rich but proud. In general, my meals consisted of pasta yesterday, today and tomorrow. And the homemade wine was red. The meals that I consumed were not about health factors so much as limited budget issues. 

 

My grandparents were from Sicily.  Same Buffalo West Side background for me.  Family came first, church and school were highest priorities, and country. 

Everything else was in the noise. 

The food back then, even if modest, was most likely still way healthier than the majority of what is out there today.  

 

[GASabresIUFAN]

Sure try to hire Blake.  I doubt he'll work for Pegula, but crazier things have happened.  

[Pimlach]

4 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

Under Blake, the Kings had a short rebuild. Over the last 4 years they averaged 49 wins and had an overall points % of .647. He could not get past McDavid and Draisatl. 
 

Yup, they finish with 105 points and he gets axed for the first round loss.   In Buffalo they would be celebrating this kind of a season.  

[LGR4GM]

Why didn't the kings wait until everyone was available!?!? I don't understand!!!

[shrader]

52 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

Wait, so if your team underperforms you are allowed to make changes? What a wild concept

Your mistake is thinking that Pegula views this as underperformance... or anything at all.

[dudacek]

39 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Why didn't the kings wait until everyone was available!?!? I don't understand!!!

Are there really people still holding out hope Adams is getting fired if the right people come available?

[WhenWillItEnd66]

2 hours ago, Pimlach said:

You are confusing Italian food with North American Italian food. 

Italian food, if prepared and served correctly, is actually very healthy and nutricous.  Go to Italy and you wont see bloated obese people all over the place, just the opposite. 

They eat a lot of fresh seafood, fresh fruit and vegetables.  Way, way ,way less processed food, way less preservatives and chemicals in their food, way less junk food.  Their diet is healthy.  

Foods like pasta and pizza are also served in much smaller portions and prepared in healthier ways.  I want to live there full time.   

So, lets talk Italian food....LOL How many different meals can be made with the same ingredients...... (BTW my wife is Italian) Lets see, cheese, noodles (Ok, i can already feel the shoe coming towards my head.....PASTA), and Sauce..... LOL 

[kas23]

3 hours ago, Pimlach said:

It would be a mistake to assume that he is not capable or qualified, especially after experiencing the much less qualified Kevyn Adams for 5 years.  Adams calls the shots for the Sabres, not Karmanos.  

I have no problem with giving Karmanos a shot at GM, admittedly in part because I highly doubt that Terry can conduct a GM job search.  I do have a problem with retaining and promoting Adams.  Adams poor results are out there and cannot be ignored.   

Do you really believe Adams has been calling the shots for the Sabres? I don’t know what role Karmanos has been in this debacle, but from all of KA’s interviews and Embedded episodes, KA seems like more of a consensus builder. And if he is making unilateral decisions, those are coming from Terry. At least with Botts and TM, for better or worse, I firmly got the feeling they were in charge. This is not to excuse KA poor job performance, but maybe we need someone who is more opinionated. 

[Pimlach]

Just now, WhenWillItEnd66 said:

So, lets talk Italian food....LOL How many different meals can be made with the same ingredients...... (BTW my wife is Italian) Lets see, cheese, noodles (Ok, i can already feel the shoe coming towards my head.....PASTA), and Sauce..... LOL 

Go there and find out, but the answer is a lot.  

Just what they pull out of the sea each day will amaze you.  They can grow just about everything.   The tendency is to eat what is fresh and in season.   

Pretty much every region has things they specialize in, there is great diversification and they take great pride in whatever they produce. 

Also of note, like the rest of Europe, they import very little food from the US or Canada.  We use chemicals and drugs in food here that they don't care to ingest.   

[DarthEbriate]

16 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Are there really people still holding out hope Adams is getting fired if the right people come available?

No. 

I just want to see Adams on screen, followed by Karmanos coming on stage behind him, picking him up and throwing him over a guardrail and into a bottomless shaft where he turns into a blue explosive light and swirl of clouds.