JustOneParade Posted December 22, 2023 Report Share Posted December 22, 2023 Wrapping things at work up before the holiday weekend so I thought I'd start my first thread. I realize +/- is a maligned metric as to its usefulness but its simple. So, without looking, rank the following Sabres in +/- best to worst, through last night's game. The candidates: E Johnson, VO, Clifton, Power. I'll post the numbers later this evening but go ahead and peek after if you're curious. Surprising fact: only one of the four are minus on the season to date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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msw2112 Posted December 22, 2023 Report Share Posted December 22, 2023 Power's first season was just a few games at the end. Last season was his true rookie season and he played well. This year, he's going through a sophomore slump, which is not uncommon. He may also be feeling the pressure of the huge contract he signed. In time, he'll be fine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted December 22, 2023 Report Share Posted December 22, 2023 VO Clifton EJ Power Not sure what the other 2 posters in this thread are getting at, except that they are guessing (or cheating) that Power is the worst of the 4 and are not bothering to rank the other 3. (insert winkie thingie here) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contempt Posted December 22, 2023 Report Share Posted December 22, 2023 Just now, Sabres Fan in NS said: VO Clifton EJ Power Not sure what the other 2 posters in this thread are getting at, except that they are guessing (or cheating) that Power is the worst of the 4 and are not bothering to rank the other 3. (insert winkie thingie here) Power is the worst of the group. Dahlin is way worser though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted December 22, 2023 Report Share Posted December 22, 2023 Just now, Contempt said: Power is the worst of the group. Dahlin is way worser though. Cool, but OP wants the others ranked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triumph_communes Posted December 22, 2023 Report Share Posted December 22, 2023 Clifton was atrocious and lost many games all on his own early in the season. However, he has leveled out. Jokiharhu is in over his head with Power. Power is overthinking and Joki is a terrible partner to help avoid that. Clifton might finally be able to relieve Joki of a role that’s over his head. Disappointing it took so far into the season to adjust, but at least he’s made it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contempt Posted December 22, 2023 Report Share Posted December 22, 2023 57 minutes ago, Sabres Fan in NS said: Cool, but OP wants the others ranked. Ok. Worst to best. Power Clifton Olofsson Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted December 22, 2023 Report Share Posted December 22, 2023 My whipping boys in order: Pegula Adams Granato Appert Ellis To the players you whipped. I don't blame Power for anything as he's a young kid and he's not being developed properly so what do you expect? You can't just throw every baby in the pool and expect them to swim. I don't blame Clifton because I have seen him succeed in the right system. We don't have a proper defensive system so he's lost. I don't blame VO because he's always been what he is and the expectation that he'd be something different is kind of silly and lastly I don't blame EJ as he's an old veteran who is past his prime so once again what do you expect? I could whip on some of the "star" players for their inconsistencies and deficiencies and lack of effort at times but again, what would be the point? Thompson is never going to hit anybody. Skinner is never going to play defense. and so on. At least they won't under this coach/system/philosophy. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 22, 2023 Report Share Posted December 22, 2023 You know I've been (rightfully) critical of Power's play this year. But then I remember being all mad at Rasmus Dahlin for being just as bad a mere few years ago. That taught me there's a learning curve in hockey, probably longer than most sports. So yes, Power is sucking great quantities this year but I have faith he will bloom like Rasmus eventually. It's only year two. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted December 22, 2023 Report Share Posted December 22, 2023 15 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: You know I've been (rightfully) critical of Power's play this year. But then I remember being all mad at Rasmus Dahlin for being just as bad a mere few years ago. That taught me there's a learning curve in hockey, probably longer than most sports. So yes, Power is sucking great quantities this year but I have faith he will bloom like Rasmus eventually. It's only year two. And that learning curve is why it would be very helpful for him to either have a vet stay at home partner or get a chance to be on the 3rd pairing. But he keeps getting put in the position of being the alpha of the 2nd pairing. Which is a really tough spot to put a 2nd year D-man. (Even one with his raw skills.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustOneParade Posted December 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2023 So @Contempt had it in the right order. The way I originally listed them (helping hint) best to worst. +3, +2, +1, and -1. 16 hours ago, PerreaultForever said: My whipping boys in order: Pegula Adams Granato Appert Ellis To the players you whipped. I don't blame Power for anything as he's a young kid and he's not being developed properly so what do you expect? You can't just throw every baby in the pool and expect them to swim. I don't blame Clifton because I have seen him succeed in the right system. We don't have a proper defensive system so he's lost. I don't blame VO because he's always been what he is and the expectation that he'd be something different is kind of silly and lastly I don't blame EJ as he's an old veteran who is past his prime so once again what do you expect? I could whip on some of the "star" players for their inconsistencies and deficiencies and lack of effort at times but again, what would be the point? Thompson is never going to hit anybody. Skinner is never going to play defense. and so on. At least they won't under this coach/system/philosophy. For the record, I used the players that seem to take the most heat on this board. And I couldn’t find the +/- for the people on your list. :-). Organizationally, I agree with you tho I would switch Appert and Ellis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7+6=13 Posted December 23, 2023 Report Share Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) I wonder if having the most TOI and most games played, would increase your chances of being on the ice when a goal is scored on a team that's 14-17-3? Edited December 23, 2023 by 7+6=13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believer Posted December 23, 2023 Report Share Posted December 23, 2023 29 minutes ago, JustOneParade said: So @Contempt had it in the right order. The way I originally listed them (helping hint) best to worst. +3, +2, +1, and -1. VO is playing very limited minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Train Posted December 23, 2023 Report Share Posted December 23, 2023 Adams and Granato. The end. Defending Power and Samuelsson is laughable. They were lauded as deity by many and are playing like AHL level players trying to find a game... while standing around while opponents hog our crease... pinching in at the wrong time and getting caught or coughing up the puck. .Thank God they gave them a lot of $$. Insanity. I still have hope but there was no need to overpay them so early. Earn it. Quit forecasting like a dizzy psychic. I already saw the Darcy act that failed. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted December 23, 2023 Report Share Posted December 23, 2023 Power and Cozens. With big pay checks comes big responsibilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted December 23, 2023 Report Share Posted December 23, 2023 3 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Power and Cozens. With big pay checks comes big responsibilities. Power is still on his ELC this season. Next season he will be better, so we won't be able to complain. (insert winkie thingie here) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted December 24, 2023 Report Share Posted December 24, 2023 (edited) I'd like to add KA and DG to this thread. Both have recently received lucrative extensions and neither is doing their job effectively this season. DG has failed to fix the PP or develop any chemistry in his lines or D pairings. He has also failed to get the team to play with any consistency game to game. For it to be this late in the season and the Sabres have only won 2 in a row once this season is awful and a poor reflection on the coaching staff. KA has failed to upgrade the roster with any of his veteran acquisitions save Tuch. His continued failure to find a solution in net is damning. Edited December 24, 2023 by GASabresIUFAN 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
postseasonblues Posted December 26, 2023 Report Share Posted December 26, 2023 Gabe Davis 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ska-T Chitown Posted December 28, 2023 Report Share Posted December 28, 2023 Tonight, since 3 of the 4 goals were on the PP for Boston, the +/- stats for Le Sabres did not look too bad, but boy howdy did they get their arses handed to them. 🤷♀️(that's a shrug emoji, but like, super hard to see) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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