Cascade Youth Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 17 hours ago, Quint said: More like Vile Leino. Hall is of course on the Sabres Master List of Villains. Does Eichel belong there? Ultimately I don't think so. He actually produced results. Hasek left on bad terms but is ultimately a hero. Drury and Briere also were guilty of mutiny. But it was a reaction to mismanagement and they produced while here. I think Lehner belongs on the villain list. Any other villains that we're missing? We may have hit a rich topic that deserves its own thread here. I had a nightmare the other night that I was still paying Christian Erhoff. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 I love how Hall is the villain here when Adams is the one who signed him and then traded him (with 50% retention) for a 2d round pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, Eleven said: I love how Hall is the villain here when Adams is the one who signed him and then traded him (with 50% retention) for a 2d round pick. Maybe we all need to thank Hall for his lack of effort? Maybe it took that situation for Adams to move to the full deconstruction/rebuild and take us away from that era? Hall was good in Boston. Not MVP level but good. Bruins fans are by and large unhappy with him leaving although accepting of the cap reality they face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Eleven said: I love how Hall is the villain here when Adams is the one who signed him and then traded him (with 50% retention) for a 2d round pick. Because he was brought in on Krueger's say-so. He dogged it while he was here, and he wouldn't waive his No Trade List when the Sabres were offered a 1st for him. Hall forced Adams into that bad Bruins deal, or did you forget? Edited June 28, 2023 by PromoTheRobot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 Just now, PromoTheRobot said: Because he was brought in on Krueger's say-so. He dogged it while he was here, and he wouldn't waive his No Trade List when the Sabres were offered a 1st for him. Who signed him with that NTC? Himself? Krueger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Eleven said: Who signed him with that NTC? Himself? Krueger? Different dynamic at the time. Adams had to back up his coach Darth Krueger, who wanted Hall, and Hall used that leverage to hold Adams over a barrel. Adams wasn't free of Krueger's vile influence until he was fired. Edited June 28, 2023 by PromoTheRobot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Different dynamic at the time. Adams had to back up his coach Darth Krueger, who wanted Hall, and Hall used that leverage to hold Adams over a barrel. Adams wasn't free of Krueger's vile influence until he was fired. What you're saying is that it ultimately was Adams who *decided* to back up Kruger in this manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 We don't know for sure, and I freely admit that I want to believe it, but I do think KA didn't have any choice in the contract he gave Hall, including the NMC, which directly resulted in getting screwed on the trade with Boston. I think Krueger had TP's ear as much as KA did at that point, and pushed hard for Hall (in part because it meant keeping Eichel on board), and KA decided not to die on that hill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 Wait, are we saying Adams did poorly in getting a 2nd-rounder for Hall? The guy was just given away for free. 😜 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 1 minute ago, dudacek said: Wait, are we saying Adams did poorly in getting a 2nd-rounder for Hall? The guy was just given away for free. 😜 Mark this down for the trade deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 Hall got an $8M salary, a NMC, and he ended up with the Bruins - a real Cup contender. He leveraged his relationship with Krueger. He and his agent cannot be blamed for smart business, but I blame Hall for the very poor effort in his time here. He knew once Krueger got fired that all he had to do was float until the trade deadline, and he did. He even had Eichel and Reinhart on the team and he did nothing. His scored just 2 goals in in 37 games and was a shameful -21. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Eleven said: What you're saying is that it ultimately was Adams who *decided* to back up Kruger in this manner. I think the mandate he was working under was to give Krueger whatever he wanted. Choice didn't enter into it unless you mean choosing to take the job. C'mon @Eleven , you know this stuff. You weren't in a coma. Or is dragging down Adams that important to you? Edited June 28, 2023 by PromoTheRobot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I think the mandate he was working under was to give Krueger whatever he wanted. Choice didn't enter into it unless you mean choosing to take the job. C'mon @Eleven , you know this stuff. You weren't in a coma. Or is dragging down Adams that important to you? I just don't see that such a mandate existed. And certainly not on the outgoing trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 you know who else quits on their team when they are bad, eichel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 46 minutes ago, Eleven said: I just don't see that such a mandate existed. And certainly not on the outgoing trade. Of course not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 He didn’t overtly quite like Berglund. As far as I am concerned, he will devolve into a trivia question a decade. Total apathy here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEbriate Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Different dynamic at the time. Adams had to back up his coach Darth Krueger, who wanted Hall, and Hall used that leverage to hold Adams over a barrel. Adams wasn't free of Krueger's vile influence until he was fired. Don't disparage the good name of Darth by tying it to HCRK. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumanSlinky39 Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 (edited) It's hard to believe he is a former Hart Trophy winner. I watched him for years in Edmonton, and though he'd show occasional flashes of brilliance, he was maddeningly inconsistent and dreadful defensively. He put together one magical season, but outside of that he's been a decent to mediocre middle-6 winger his whole career. His time in Buffalo was a disgrace. Yes, that team was brutal, but Hall couldn't have possibly appeared to give less of a *****. Edited June 28, 2023 by HumanSlinky39 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoPuckYourself Posted June 29, 2023 Report Share Posted June 29, 2023 This dude gets passed around more than Madonna in the 90's. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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