Hank Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 Did 6K have a couple surgeries recently? I think I remember reading that but not sure. If he did, maybe it took awhile to work out the kinks? He had a rough start when called up, but I think he's been decent the last few months. I really think part of his numbers/stats is a result of the style of play the team plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 3 hours ago, Night Train said: The Goalie need crew here. I get it to a point. UPL is still raw and Cromrie is just getting healthy. No arguments. Yet, do you think Hasek or Miller in their prime would have a high save % and glowing GA average with this team ? Good God. They think getting back on D is for other teams all too often. Get caught constantly pinching deep and never have I seen our Goalie facing this many 2 on 1 breaks or flat out breakaways. Never clear traffic in front of the net. Opponents always stand in the crease with zero fear of being moved out. Soft in the corners and losing key faceoffs in their own end. A lot of it is youth and I get that. Still bullish going forward but this team has to help their own goalie. Lots of factors for those flashy goalie stats we all can produce in 15 seconds with a few clicks. Yes, Hasek would have a great sv% with this team are you joking? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: ... yes after they become critical after you let in 3 bad goals. What exactly are you arguing here? That the only adequate goalie is one who allows zero goals? Has a .999 save %? I think you are clinging so hard to this narrative, you're ignoring what most NHL goaltending is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 I think all goalies make critical saves, I'm just not convinced upl is making a bunch more than our other goalies. Just now, PromoTheRobot said: What exactly are you arguing here? That the only adequate goalie is one who allows zero goals? Has a .999 save %? I think you are clinging so hard to this narrative, you're ignoring what most NHL goaltending is. I think you're claiming something that doesn't make sense, ie Upl is why we're winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: No those are results. You win or you lose. And if you watch the games you can tell how many critical saves are made. When you say "critical", do you mean late in the game? Or do you mean against a breakaway or odd man rush? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 Just now, LGR4GM said: I think all goalies make critical saves, I'm just not convinced upl is making a bunch more than our other goalies. Were you in a coma when Lehner and Hutton were here? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 Just now, PromoTheRobot said: Were you in a coma when Lehner and Hutton were here? Go look at how many goals per game we scored then, then come back. Wins are not a good way to judge goalies. 1 minute ago, Hank said: When you say "critical", do you mean late in the game? Or do you mean against a breakaway or odd man rush? I'd like to hear that answer too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 Just now, Hank said: When you say "critical", do you mean late in the game? Or do you mean against a breakaway or odd man rush? A save on a high-danger scoring chance, often time coming after a defensive blunder or turnover. This includes saves late in games to preserve a lead. Here's a recent example though it came at the end of the 1st. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said: A save on a high-danger scoring chance, often time coming after a defensive blunder or turnover. This includes saves late in games to preserve a lead. Here's a recent example though it came at the end of the 1st. IMO our style of play leads to more of these than average and I think 6K does a good job here, on that we agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, Hank said: IMO our style of play leads to more of these than average and I think 6K does a good job here, on that we agree. The Sharks gave was a great example of UPL bailing out the Sabres. Yes, eventually the Sharks scored two thanks to the Sabres chasing their tails in their own end. But UPL shut the door the rest of the way until the Sabres got the winner. Which is, by the way, how 70-80% of NHL games go. Other teams are good, other teams can and do score goals. There is no goalkeeper that meets whatever @LGR4GM's goaltending standard in the NHL right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 4 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Was there a reason why you limited your range to his last 4 starts? Hmmm? Let's see how he's done the full season... https://www.nhl.com/player/ukko-pekka-luukkonen-8480045?stats=gamelogs-r-nhl&season=20222023 Oooooh, lookee! 14-7. Why that isn't bad at all, is it? I'm sure you weren't trying to spin an argument here. Yes, because as stated, the timing of your 'he just wins' tangent away from the subject of the thread seemed strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Other teams are good, other teams can and do score goals. There is no goalkeeper that meets whatever @LGR4GM's goaltending standard in the NHL right now. You're just deflecting by saying that. It's lazy. Edited February 20, 2023 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 iM tRyInG tO rEAD aBoUT lEvI wUt iS wItH aLl tHE uPl tAlK?!!11111 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 Just now, Thorny said: iM tRyInG tO rEAD aBoUT lEvI wUt iS wItH aLl tHE uPl tAlK?!!11111 You okay? Need a hug? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 54 minutes ago, Taro T said: Yes, because as stated, the timing of your 'he just wins' tangent away from the subject of the thread seemed strange. So you ignored his entire body of work and focused on the last 4 games that bolstered your take. Gotcha. 55 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: You're just deflecting by saying that. It's lazy. If it makes you feel better to think that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: So you ignored his entire body of work and focused on the last 4 games that bolstered your take. Gotcha. If it makes you feel better to think that... No. Have stated it plainly twice but it does not seem to be getting through. Am quite likely done with this discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: So you ignored his entire body of work and focused on the last 4 games that bolstered your take. Gotcha. If it makes you feel better to think that... What makes me feel better is knowing where upl ranks in hdsv% as opposed to using wins as a measuring stick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 8 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: What makes me feel better is knowing where upl ranks in hdsv% as opposed to using wins as a measuring stick. And that's fine for you. Meanwhile I'm just going to watch the games and enjoy them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 29 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: And that's fine for you. Meanwhile I'm just going to watch the games and enjoy them. This is another deflection. You say he's better at saving HD chances and I say, I know where he sits in that category. You come back with "I'm just going to watch the games and enjoy them" implying I'm not. Wins aren't a goalie stat, they are team stat. I've thoroughly enjoyed this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porous Five Hole Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 44 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: What makes me feel better is knowing where upl ranks in hdsv% as opposed to using wins as a measuring stick. Where does UPL rank in this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: This is another deflection. You say he's better at saving HD chances and I say, I know where he sits in that category. You come back with "I'm just going to watch the games and enjoy them" implying I'm not. Wins aren't a goalie stat, they are team stat. I've thoroughly enjoyed this season. They have exceeded my expectations going into the year, I am very happy with the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted February 21, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Hank said: They have exceeded my expectations going into the year, I am very happy with the team. They have met mine and I'm good too. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 It’s crazy that Levi is sitting at a 2.24 gaa and a .933 sv% and both numbers are way off last year. He is really getting back into last year’s zone and Northeastern are rising in the rankings. Does winning the BeanPot get them into the tournament? I think they get in at this point with the run Levi is on anyway. Man if things trend the way they are then the Reinhart for Levi and Kulich Trade will look very good for Buffalo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Hank said: Did 6K have a couple surgeries recently? I think I remember reading that but not sure. If he did, maybe it took awhile to work out the kinks? He had a rough start when called up, but I think he's been decent the last few months. I really think part of his numbers/stats is a result of the style of play the team plays. UPL had a big double hip surgery that it took him some time to come back from, but it was 4 years ago now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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