WildCard Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 What if the Sabres drop to #4 in the draft -- would you trade Risto plus that pick for Karlsson? Not a chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 Not sure who this could possibly be other than RoR and Lehner The first person to jump into my mind was actually Okposo. Probably because his post-game Ottawa interview was fresh in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 The first person to jump into my mind was actually Okposo. Probably because his post-game Ottawa interview was fresh in my mind. Would actually be hilarious if he was the one that wanted out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 Yes, but he has to agree to an extension. Absolutely. Not a chance Karlsson will turn 28 on May 31; Risto will turn 24 on October 27. Karlsson put up 62 points in 71 games this year on a terrible team while working his way back from a very tough injury. Risto's cap hit is $5.4MM for 4 more seasons (after this one). So he'll get a big UFA contract that starts in his age 28 season. That contract will probably cost at least $6.5MM per year. Karlsson will probably cost $10MM x 8 years. So for the 1st 4 years, he'll cost $4.6MM more than Risto, and for the 2nd 4 years he'll cost $3.5MM more than Risto. Of course, Karlsson's play could decline precipitously, especially during the back half of that contract. Karlsson is still unquestionably a top-10 player in the NHL, and probably top-5. Risto may or may not be a top-pairing defenseman. I think if Karlsson is traded he will probably return more than Risto plus the #4 pick in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 It’s hard to see a trade coming that people around here will be down on. I’d say some still believe in Reino and Risto and won’t like either being dumped for a handful of “lesser” pieces. And We’ve will be pissed at a ROR for futures deal. But hockey trades? Sure, fill your boots. By and large we’re willing to accept trading anyone short of Jack, at this point. And some would even accept that. *eye twitches* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) Absolutely. Karlsson will turn 28 on May 31; Risto will turn 24 on October 27. Karlsson put up 62 points in 71 games this year on a terrible team while working his way back from a very tough injury. Risto's cap hit is $5.4MM for 4 more seasons (after this one). So he'll get a big UFA contract that starts in his age 28 season. That contract will probably cost at least $6.5MM per year. Karlsson will probably cost $10MM x 8 years. So for the 1st 4 years, he'll cost $4.6MM more than Risto, and for the 2nd 4 years he'll cost $3.5MM more than Risto. Of course, Karlsson's play could decline precipitously, especially during the back half of that contract. Karlsson is still unquestionably a top-10 player in the NHL, and probably top-5. Risto may or may not be a top-pairing defenseman. I think if Karlsson is traded he will probably return more than Risto plus the #4 pick in the draft. I want that pick. I believe Botterill will pick the right guy and whoever we get with this pick will be huge to this team going forward. If we get a defenseman, or a winger, than we have filled a massive whole. Moving Risto and this pick means we're trading 1 hole for 2 (yes, very funny). There are too many bad players on this team; the issue we have is depth, not star talent. We need to start garnering depth rather than just star power Edited April 6, 2018 by Jokertecken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 Absolutely. Karlsson will turn 28 on May 31; Risto will turn 24 on October 27. Karlsson put up 62 points in 71 games this year on a terrible team while working his way back from a very tough injury. Risto's cap hit is $5.4MM for 4 more seasons (after this one). So he'll get a big UFA contract that starts in his age 28 season. That contract will probably cost at least $6.5MM per year. Karlsson will probably cost $10MM x 8 years. So for the 1st 4 years, he'll cost $4.6MM more than Risto, and for the 2nd 4 years he'll cost $3.5MM more than Risto. Of course, Karlsson's play could decline precipitously, especially during the back half of that contract. Karlsson is still unquestionably a top-10 player in the NHL, and probably top-5. Risto may or may not be a top-pairing defenseman. I think if Karlsson is traded he will probably return more than Risto plus the #4 pick in the draft. Unless Karlsson ends up with concussion or knee problems I bet he is still in the NHL after Risto has retired Guys that skate like Karlsson play at a high level forever. I'd trade Risto to get him and not think twice about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 Unless Karlsson ends up with concussion or knee problems I bet he is still in the NHL after Risto has retired Guys that skate like Karlsson play at a high level forever. I'd trade Risto to get him and not think twice about it. It's the pick that's the important part. This is a great draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 Unless Karlsson ends up with concussion or knee problems I bet he is still in the NHL after Risto has retired Guys that skate like Karlsson play at a high level forever. I'd trade Risto to get him and not think twice about it. Karlsson's brain should help him age well even if his skating declines. I'd be a little worried about deterioration versus declining, but I'd still throw something out there to try and get EK this summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 It's the pick that's the important part. This is a great draft I don't think we are picking a hall of famer at 4. Karlsson is going to be a Norris caliber defenseman for at least 5-6 more seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramps Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 Absolutely. Karlsson will turn 28 on May 31; Risto will turn 24 on October 27. Karlsson put up 62 points in 71 games this year on a terrible team while working his way back from a very tough injury. Risto's cap hit is $5.4MM for 4 more seasons (after this one). So he'll get a big UFA contract that starts in his age 28 season. That contract will probably cost at least $6.5MM per year. Karlsson will probably cost $10MM x 8 years. So for the 1st 4 years, he'll cost $4.6MM more than Risto, and for the 2nd 4 years he'll cost $3.5MM more than Risto. Of course, Karlsson's play could decline precipitously, especially during the back half of that contract. Karlsson is still unquestionably a top-10 player in the NHL, and probably top-5. Risto may or may not be a top-pairing defenseman. I think if Karlsson is traded he will probably return more than Risto plus the #4 pick in the draft. How bout we throw some cash at the other Carlson ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 Karlsson's brain should help him age well even if his skating declines. I'd be a little worried about deterioration versus declining, but I'd still throw something out there to try and get EK this summer. Skating-wise, Karlsson is in the realm Coffey, Housley, Bourque. those guys just don't tail off. I fully expect him to get all star consideration 8-10 years from now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 It's the pick that's the important part. This is a great draft No offense to you intended here, but, f*ck the draft. Karlsson is The Truth. Right now. And maybe for ten more years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 I don't think we are picking a hall of famer at 4. Karlsson is going to be a Norris caliber defenseman for at least 5-6 more seasons. But you're still depleting depth on a team already bereft of it No offense to you intended here, but, f*ck the draft. Karlsson is The Truth. Right now. And maybe for ten more years. I get that mentality, I do, but after seeing Botterill snag Casey, I believe he'll make the right pick here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 But you're still depleting depth on a team already bereft of it It's a mind exercise cuz Karlsson ain't signing here, but who the hell have we got that we are worried about losing? Last place 3 out out of 4 seasons. I can count the players that we probably can't replace on the fingers of one hand, and have fingers left over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 I don't want to keep wasting years of Jack's career waiting for players to develop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 It's a mind exercise cuz Karlsson ain't signing here, but who the hell have we got that we are worried about losing? Last place 3 out out of 4 seasons. I can count the players that we probably can't replace on the fingers of one hand, and have fingers left over. I think Risto can be a very good 2nd pair guy, if not a 2nd guy on a top line. And, and I'll admit I'm assuming, that the top 4 pick hits and is a top line player/#1 pairing guy. Like d4rk said, Karlsson is a known commodity, and the pick is not. But I still don't think that trade really gets us anywhere. I think we have to hit on this pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 Skating-wise, Karlsson is in the realm Coffey, Housley, Bourque. those guys just don't tail off. I fully expect him to get all star consideration 8-10 years from now. I take your word for it as I never got to see them, but between the scary achilles injury (which wasn't his fault at all) and that ankle thing he just feels like a guy whose knee is a ticking time bomb or something of that nature. That is unscientific and wouldn't stop me from trading for him (and hell yeah, I'd add a sizable amount to Risto to get him, assuming extension in place) but I still feel it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramps Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 No offense to you intended here, but, f*ck the draft. Karlsson is The Truth. Right now. And maybe for ten more years. Karlsson has a 10-team modified no trade. Think Buffalo is on the list ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 Karlsson has a 10-team modified no trade. Think Buffalo is on the list ? Only one way to find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramps Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 Only one way to find out. The list is only good if Ottawa tries to force a trade on him. If we offer the right deal, he might waive it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 I’m with Wild on this one, I do not want to give up assets, although I will admit for,Karlsson it’s awfully tempting. Botterill is on record saying he wants to build through the draft and doesn’t what to part with the assets for teams are looking to acquire in exchange for immediate help It sucks that Jack is playing on a last place team three years into his career, but GMTM traded 1sts to accelerate things and here we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 Larsson, Girgensons, Bogosian, Moulson, Gorges... all should have been moved/waived/bought-out last summer. We all knew that... but JBOTs have everyone a clean slate. What swell thing to do, everybody gets a free pass. Now here we are one year behind on the rebuild because he didn't have the guts as a rookie GM to move veterans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 Larsson, Girgensons, Bogosian, Moulson, Gorges... all should have been moved/waived/bought-out last summer. We all knew that... but JBOTs have everyone a clean slate. What swell thing to do, everybody gets a free pass. Now here we are one year behind on the rebuild because he didn't have the guts as a rookie GM to move veterans.I don't agree. Buying out some of then would have made it worse. Especially Gorges. Moulson was waived. Bogo can't be. Larsson and Zemgus I expect to be traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacque Richard Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 I don't want to keep wasting years of Jack's career waiting for players to develop. agree with ya 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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