WildCard Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 I’m with Wild on this one, I do not want to give up assets, although I will admit for,Karlsson it’s awfully tempting. Botterill is on record saying he wants to build through the draft and doesn’t what to part with the assets for teams are looking to acquire in exchange for immediate help It ###### sucks that Jack is playing on a last place team three years into his career, but GMTM traded 1sts to accelerate things and here we are. I don't want to keep wasting years of Jack's career waiting for players to develop. What Brawndo said. We can either do this right or we can try and accelerate it again with the same results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Rhea Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 (edited) Hmmm... Karlsson - Scandella Risto - Dahlin Guhle - McCabe Not a bad blueline if we win the lottery and somehow entice Karlsson that hockey heaven really does exist. It really doesn't seem too far fetched at all that this could happen. Edited April 7, 2018 by Ross Rhea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 I really want someone, anyone, to tell me what we trade for Karlsson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 The package to bring in Karlsson would deplete what little depth we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 I really want someone, anyone, to tell me what we trade for Karlsson. The package to bring in Karlsson would deplete what little depth we have. Right. Ottawa would want Risto + 2018 1st + Nylander + + Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 We win the lottery. Ottawa offers Karlsson for our first. Who says yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 We win the lottery. Ottawa offers Karlsson for our first. Who says yes? Not me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 We win the lottery. Ottawa offers Karlsson for our first. Who says yes? Dhalin is just a younger Karlsson. We'd basically be getting Karlsson in his prime for cheap, without all the injuries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 We win the lottery. Ottawa offers Karlsson for our first. Who says yes? No. I would immediately start a boycott and want Botterill to resign. It would be an absolute disgusting trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 There is absolutely not a guarantee that Dahlin ever becomes even 75% of Karlsson, a player that is historically great at offense from his position.That said, the age difference is big. And Dahlin looks amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 (edited) There is absolutely not a guarantee that Dahlin ever becomes even 75% of Karlsson, a player that is historically great at offense from his position. That said, the age difference is big. And Dahlin looks amazing. I'll take that chance. Further, I don't need him to equal Karlsson offensively if he's better defensively. Edited April 7, 2018 by Skurk Liger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 There is absolutely not a guarantee that Dahlin ever becomes even 75% of Karlsson, a player that is historically great at offense from his position. That said, the age difference is big. And Dahlin looks amazing. All that is true. And, that trade could very well be a Nieuwendyk for Iginla. Based on where the Sabres are today age wise, would rather have Dahlin. But that's a real tough call because we KNOW what Karlsson is & Dahlin is just an impressive truckload of potential at present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 Yea Connor Mcdavid was a truckload of potential about 3 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 Yea Connor Mcdavid was a truckload of potential about 3 years ago. No. McDavid was more of a sure thing than Crosby. He was right up there w/ Lemieux in terms of not missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 No. McDavid was more of a sure thing than Crosby. He was right up there w/ Lemieux in terms of not missing.And Dahlin is the defensive equivalent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 Yea Connor Mcdavid was a truckload of potential about 3 years ago. No. McDavid was more of a sure thing than Crosby. He was right up there w/ Lemieux in terms of not missing. And Dahlin is the defensive equivalent Right, Dahlin is about the most sure thing you'll ever have in a defensive prospect, and close to in regards to an overall prospect. He's being called the McDavid of the blue line for a reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 And Dahlin is the defensive equivalent Dahlin might be called the defensive McDavid loosely but he's not that tier of prospect. I'm not convinced he would have gone above Doughty or Hedman. I'd be happy to see him end up as good as Seth Jones (who is amazing, not a slight to him) That's hardly "good enough" for a McDavid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 And Dahlin is the defensive equivalent No, he's not. Dahlin might be called the defensive McDavid loosely but he's not that tier of prospect. I'm not convinced he would have gone above Doughty or Hedman. I'd be happy to see him end up as good as Seth Jones (who is amazing, not a slight to him) That's hardly "good enough" for a McDavid. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 Fine he's the Eichel equivalent. That more comfortable for you? Dahlin might be called the defensive McDavid loosely but he's not that tier of prospect. I'm not convinced he would have gone above Doughty or Hedman. I'd be happy to see him end up as good as Seth Jones (who is amazing, not a slight to him) That's hardly "good enough" for a McDavid. Seth Jones? Are you serious? They aren't in the same tier at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 (edited) Fine he's the Eichel equivalent. That more comfortable for you? Seth Jones? Are you ###### serious? They aren't in the same tier at all. Yes, and Jack is about the 40th best offensive player in the league 3 years in, the season that corresponds to Karlsson's first Norris trophy as best defenseman in the world. Not Seth Jones the prospect, Seth Jones right now, a guy who is outperforming his prospect status, a guy who will get Norris votes this season and has a chance at winning one or two throughout his career. Edited April 7, 2018 by Randall Flagg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 (edited) Yes, and Jack is about the 40th best offensive player in the league 3 years in, the season that corresponds to Karlsson's first Norris trophy as best defenseman in the world. Not Seth Jones the prospect, Seth Jones right now, a guy who is outperforming his prospect status, a guy who will get Norris votes this season and has a chance at winning one or two throughout his career. I'm telling you point blank Rasmus Dahlin is in a tier about Seth Jones. Jack Eichel plays on the most disorganized pile of team in the league and still scored the most points of any sabre since 2012 while missing 15 games and dragging the husk of Pommers around the ice. Edited April 7, 2018 by Skurk Liger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 (edited) I'm telling you point blank Rasmus Dahlin is in a tier about Seth Jones. You can't know that until he plays in the same league. I agree that his tier as a prospect is higher. I'm saying that I would be thrilled to draft Dahlin and have him look like Jones does now at the corresponding age. We would all be thrilled because we'd be looking at a guy with the potential to be the best D in franchise history, and we'd have years of watching him in the NHL prove it, not conjecture based on SHL games that none of us have actually seen. Edited April 7, 2018 by Randall Flagg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 If Dahlin becomes a sabre I'd bet he drops 40 points his rookie season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 If Dahlin becomes anybody but a sabre I'd bet he drops 40 points his rookie season. FIFY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 I'm telling you point blank Rasmus Dahlin is in a tier about Seth Jones. Jack Eichel plays on the most disorganized pile of ###### team in the league and still scored the most points of any sabre since 2012 while missing 15 games and dragging the husk of Pommers around the ice. There's a huge ####ing gap between Seth Jones & Bobby Orr. Saying Dahlin is the defensive McDavid is nearly equivalent to saying he'll be Orr. Not ####ing happening. When their careers are reviewed, Dahlin will probably have been better than Jones. But it is not a given at this point. Would say Dahlin is more of a MacKinnon level prospect. Which is concensus #1 pick & likely to be an all star. But FAR from a lock for being a HoFer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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