Randall Flagg Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 I think Kane played well before his injury, and was going to be one of four players in my "good" column. This team will be worse without him, especially while ROR is hampered and Okposo/Eichel aren't playing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7+6=13 Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 After watching tonights performance - Kane is the very low on the pecking order to be worried about or wanting gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted October 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 Based on his stats, in both points and goals scored, Kane is average at best - I peg him at slightly below average. While I never want to see a Sabre hurt,him being on the DL won't tangibly hurt the Sabres. Kane's best skill appears to be womanizing and generating negative PR for the Sabres; he's near the top of the NHL in those advanced metrics.If he could stay on the ice, I'd be okay with his stats. Availability is the best ability. Ultimately, I think he goes to Vegas in the summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 I'd also argue that we need Kane more than we need Okposo right now while Jack is gone and ROR is hurt. When we're playing at Jack's speed and with ROR's full abilities, Kane can be a liability, but when we flounder around without those guys, Kane is one of the only players we have who can do something positive by himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted October 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 I'd also argue that we need Kane more than we need Okposo right now while Jack is gone and ROR is hurt. When we're playing at Jack's speed and with ROR's full abilities, Kane can be a liability, but when we flounder around without those guys, Kane is one of the only players we have who can do something positive by himself. We haven't seen Okposo yet to know if he can do things by himself. I'm thinking he can ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 We haven't seen Okposo yet to know if he can do things by himself. I'm thinking he can ;) Me too! Starting Sunday hopefully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) I respectfully ask the mods to change the name of this thread to "Wild Card must go!" First he said Ryan O'Reilly was no good. Then there was the whole Brandon Saad fiasco. Now he's targeted a disabled visible minority veteran after he fearlessly sacrificed his body for the good of the team. It's time to ask ourselves if we are really better off waiting until the end of the season before shipping him off to VegasOnIce.com. Maybe the Carolina forum would be interested if we threw in Pi's old avatar. Edited October 14, 2016 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted October 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 Hey now, Saad put up 30 goals last year with Torts and the Jackets. I'm not wrong about Saad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) Hey now, Saad put up 30 goals last year with Torts and the Jackets. I'm not wrong about Saad So, you're admitting your guilt on everything else? ???? Edited October 14, 2016 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted October 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) So, you're admitting your guilt on everything else? ????Well I was wrong on ROR, but Kane certainly isn't blind. Though his shot selection says otherwise Edited October 14, 2016 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 Well I was wrong on ROR, but Kane certainly isn't blind. Though his shot selection says otherwise So you'd prefer the Columbus forum? First a few questions to test your aptitude: Marcus or Nick? Risto or Seth Jones? What are your feelings on Torterella? There's always room for another Torts hater over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted October 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 So you'd prefer the Columbus forum? First a few questions to test your aptitude: Marcus or Nick? Risto or Seth Jones? What are your feelings on Torterella? There's always room for another Torts hater over there. I think everyone here answers those questions the same ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) How about to LTIR? If his injury is serious and requires him to miss significant time, placing him on IR would allow the Sabres to go 3 million over the cap. The formula per Cap Friendly is Kane's Salary 5.25 mil-available space 2.26 million which is about 3 million. This can be added to the existing space opening up about 5 million in space. This would allow for the Sabres to trade for a D Man say Cam Fowler at 4 Million, while possibly retaining salary from a player traded for him. The trick is does he stay on IR all year then, or does GMTM pull a Stan Bowman to circumvent the cap as Chicago did with Kane? Edited October 14, 2016 by BRAWNDO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHLBUFF Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 Remember when we thought we won that trade? Remember when we thought it was close? No, never thought that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 Kane is infuriating. Mostly because Dan wont put him with Larsson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted October 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 I respectfully ask the mods to change the name of this thread to "Wild Card must go!" First he said Ryan O'Reilly was no good. Then there was the whole Brandon Saad fiasco. Now he's targeted a disabled visible minority veteran after he fearlessly sacrificed his body for the good of the team. It's time to ask ourselves if we are really better off waiting until the end of the season before shipping him off to VegasOnIce.com. Maybe the Carolina forum would be interested if we threw in Pi's old avatar. Let me help you out here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonHextallsShoulderPads Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 who will step in to fill the void of 9 SOGs, 1 missed breakaway, and 1 point per game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 who will step in to fill the void of 9 SOGs, 1 missed breakaway, and 1 point per game? When did Evander Kane start scoring a point per game? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kruppstahl Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 Yesterday Mike Schopp asked Tim Murray if he thought about trading Kane in the off-season. Rather than respond by indicating that he believed in Kane, supports him, and he is just going through a tough time...or something a GM probably should say, he responded by basically saying "No, because right now his trade value is low and if you make a trade you do it to improve the team." Murray is honest and direct to a fault and would make a horrible poker player. If he could have dumped Kane's ass for fair value, he would be gone by now. He won't be a piece in the organization's future if/when we start getting really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 Yesterday Mike Schopp asked Tim Murray if he thought about trading Kane in the off-season. Rather than respond by indicating that he believed in Kane, supports him, and he is just going through a tough time...or something a GM probably should say, he responded by basically saying "No, because right now his trade value is low and if you make a trade you do it to improve the team." Murray is honest and direct to a fault and would make a horrible poker player. If he could have dumped Kane's ass for fair value, he would be gone by now. He won't be a piece in the organization's future if/when we start getting really good. The fact that GM TM doesn't engage in nonsense puffery in the media doesn't make him a bad poker player. Any FO person in the league who would've heard GM TM say the b.s. you outlined above would've seen through such talk. When these folks are behind closed doors, things are stated as GM TM stated them last night. What he's primarily doing -- by refusing to give the standard spiel -- is refusing to spare Kane's feelings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonHextallsShoulderPads Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 Yesterday Mike Schopp asked Tim Murray if he thought about trading Kane in the off-season. Rather than respond by indicating that he believed in Kane, supports him, and he is just going through a tough time...or something a GM probably should say, he responded by basically saying "No, because right now his trade value is low and if you make a trade you do it to improve the team." Murray is honest and direct to a fault and would make a horrible poker player. If he could have dumped Kane's ass for fair value, he would be gone by now. He won't be a piece in the organization's future if/when we start getting really good. I think this kind of talk can light a fire under certain players, which is good. If it doesn't, do you even want them on the team in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calti Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 gotta learn to win when everything isn't pristine.-sign of a real team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 gotta learn to win when everything isn't pristine.-sign of a real team Agree, but the team is still being built. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsixspd Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) Agree, but the team is still being built. LOL - haven't we been saying this for at least a decade now and counting? And it's a rhetorical question - it's hard not to be mean spirited and snarky when it comes to commentating on the seemingly eternal failings of the Sabres! :lol: Edited October 14, 2016 by Jsixspd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) The construction of the team is really little more than a year old. Everything prior to that was demolition to clear the work site. Edited October 14, 2016 by Doohickie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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