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I couldn't find the old thread and I got sick of looking 

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/coyotes-every-intention-leaving-glendale-2017/

 

 

“Simply put, the Arizona Coyotes have every intention of leaving Glendale as soon as practicable,” LeBlanc wrote in the letter. “By unilaterally breaking a 15-year signed management agreement with the team — a contract the Coyotes would have honoured for the length of its term — the Council effectively evicted us from our home.”
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I couldn't find the old thread and I got sick of looking 

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/coyotes-every-intention-leaving-glendale-2017/

Glendale, Phoenix, Mesa, Scottsdale - they can move the team anywhere in that area and A) The team will still suck and B) They will only draw 7500 fans per game.  Quebec City, paging Quebec City....

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I'm not entirely sure (okay, I know exactly why, but still) why Glendale is cast as the bad guy in this. A prior administration made an insanely bad deal, and now they're getting dumped on for having the temerity to refuse to bend over when told. Now, the goofiness of the way this has been handled, with the live streamed council meetings chock full of morons making loud noises is not a good look, but still.

 

Tax dollars have no place in the pockets of sports franchises, directly or indirectly. I thought after the abject calamity with the baseball stadium in Miami a few years ago we'd all be aware of this.

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Glendale, Phoenix, Mesa, Scottsdale - they can move the team anywhere in that area and A) The team will still suck and B) They will only draw 7500 fans per game. Quebec City, paging Quebec City....

They have some good young players, and like the Sabres will be improving. They averaged 13,400 fans last season with a bad record. And Quebec isn't an option as long as the Canadian dollar is low.

Just move them to Vegas and be done with it.

The league would rather get $500 million from an expansion fee.

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I'm not entirely sure (okay, I know exactly why, but still) why Glendale is cast as the bad guy in this. A prior administration made an insanely bad deal, and now they're getting dumped on for having the temerity to refuse to bend over when told. Now, the goofiness of the way this has been handled, with the live streamed council meetings chock full of morons making loud noises is not a good look, but still.

 

Tax dollars have no place in the pockets of sports franchises, directly or indirectly. I thought after the abject calamity with the baseball stadium in Miami a few years ago we'd all be aware of this.

 

No.  They're getting dumped on for not honoring the deal made by the prior administration.  A new administration doesn't get to walk away from its predecessors' agreements, unless that type of option is built into the agreement.  Similarly, if the team were sold to a new owner, the new owner couldn't just decide to break the lease and move to Vegas/Quebec/anywhere else that wanted to throw money at him/her. 

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Glendale, Phoenix, Mesa, Scottsdale - they can move the team anywhere in that area and A) The team will still suck and B) They will only draw 7500 fans per game.  Quebec City, paging Quebec City....

If they do end up in Phoenix there is a very real chance that franchise will thrive.

 

Good for their fans.

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No.  They're getting dumped on for not honoring the deal made by the prior administration.  A new administration doesn't get to walk away from its predecessors' agreements, unless that type of option is built into the agreement.  Similarly, if the team were sold to a new owner, the new owner couldn't just decide to break the lease and move to Vegas/Quebec/anywhere else that wanted to throw money at him/her.

 

Glendale's argument, which has a good deal of merit, is that they had the right to void the lease under AZ law regarding conflicts of interest in public contracts, as the city attorney who negotiated on behalf of the city was hired by the Coyotes 15 minutes later. Not a good look, at the very least.

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Glendale's argument, which has a good deal of merit, is that they had the right to void the lease under AZ law regarding conflicts of interest in public contracts, as the city attorney who negotiated on behalf of the city was hired by the Coyotes 15 minutes later. Not a good look, at the very least.

15 minutes, 8 months, same difference. Why quibble over details?

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15 minutes, 8 months, same difference. Why quibble over details?

From what I can gather he was on the books for both at the same time for about 6 months...

Also worth noting, it can be argued that losing / settling a lawsuit now will cost the city less money than actually honoring the contract.

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From what I can gather he was on the books for both at the same time for about 6 months... Also worth noting, it can be argued that losing / settling a lawsuit now will cost the city less money than actually honoring the contract.

Being paid severance, while on the books, does not in and of itself provide a conflict of interest.

 

Glendale weaseled out of a contract. Whether that works out in their ST best interest or not, they still weaseled out of a legally binding good faith agreement pretty much before the ink was even dry. It is doubtful that it won't be a consideration for future negotiations between the city & it's vendors/ employees which can raise other costs to the city. It also will be interesting what they do to fill that soon to be empty mausoleum that they'll be maintaining.

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Calling it "Weaseling" dismisses the obvious legal and ethical questions raised by the behavior of the Coyotes and the attorney in question out of hand. I don't think it's fair to do that. Nor, not knowing what the impact of the questioned behavior was, can we fairly assume the Coyotes are right and this was indeed done "in good faith."

 

The statute mentioned above exists for a reason.

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Calling it "Weaseling" dismisses the obvious legal and ethical questions raised by the behavior of the Coyotes and the attorney in question out of hand. I don't think it's fair to do that. Nor, not knowing what the impact of the questioned behavior was, can we fairly assume the Coyotes are right and this was indeed done "in good faith."

The statute mentioned above exists for a reason.

To the bolded, yes it does. That fact does not in any way necessitate that the council was using it for that reason.

 

To your 1st paragraph, not calling it weaseling dismisses the obvious legal and ethical questions raised by the behavior of the Mayor and City Council as out of hand. ;)

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I think this team, Arizona, is not moving any farther that Phoenix. But it is a soap opera leading up to that ultimate conclusion. Like one in Spanish that you can't understand. But my oh my the dramatics are something everyone can understand.

Head turn, camera close up, hot take on smoking babe. Gracias. Everybody looks and applauds.

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Glendale's argument, which has a good deal of merit, is that they had the right to void the lease under AZ law regarding conflicts of interest in public contracts, as the city attorney who negotiated on behalf of the city was hired by the Coyotes 15 minutes later. Not a good look, at the very least.

 

Perhaps they had that right -- and as Taro said, whether they did have that right will depend on the facts and the law -- but that's not what you said initially.  You said it wasn't fair to criticize the city for walking away from a bad deal made by the prior administration.  That is a much different argument than the illegal-conflict-of-interest argument.

 

From what I can gather he was on the books for both at the same time for about 6 months...

Also worth noting, it can be argued that losing / settling a lawsuit now will cost the city less money than actually honoring the contract.

 

This is also quite possible, and if so then it may have been the right decision by the city -- but it's a fairly Machiavellian and bad-faith decision that certainly deserves criticism.

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I never heard anyone use the term proper when defining city parameters until buffalonians started squaking about it a couple years back. Anyone know why?

 

 

I've never heard it unless in reference to the restaurant, Buffalo Proper.

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