IKnowPhysics Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=370708 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnabov Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Good for Tim (not so good for the Leafs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Paperwork being worked on between the Leafs and Tim Connolly. 2 year agreement @ $4.75 aav. https://twitter.com/#!/DarrenDreger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted July 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Somebody was going to pay for him, and I'm glad it wasn't us. While most folks agreed that bringing back TC in a diminished role for a diminished price would have been acceptable, with so many teams needy at the center position and the bigger center UFA names off the market, it was very unlikely that TC wouldn't find greener pastures. And I'm ok with that. Good for him for landing on a team that would actually give him a raise. While I would like to wish him well with some team not in the Northeast, I can't. Instead I will wish him luck and then hate on his lazy, streaky Leaf ass. And if he ends up being the one to make Phil Kessel a better player, I will hate on him even more. I will also enjoy the first on-ice introductions between Tim Connolly and Robyn Regehr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Paging Mr. Millbank, Mr. Millbank to the white courtesy phone please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 So, Deluca, is Burke still your model GM? :nana: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramps Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 The Leafs must be desperate ... 4.75M per season - how does he get a raise after his performance the last 2 years ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ForTripping Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Paging Mr. Millbank, Mr. Millbank to the white courtesy phone please. he is trying to hang himself with the cord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesportsbuff Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 The Leafs must be desperate ... 4.75M per season - how does he get a raise after his performance the last 2 years ? What do you mean? That's just north of what Buffalo paid for Leino for SIX freaking years. If a guy with one decent stat line under his belt is worth almost $5 mil then certainly the best UFA center after Richards is worth more, especially if he's agreeing to a 2 year deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 he is trying to hang himself with the cord I don't know how much he lurks here anymore, but I can't imagine there's another Leafs fan more well read on the subject than he must be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swedesessed Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 So, Deluca, is Burke still your model GM? :nana: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Sports Man Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 What do you mean? That's just north of what Buffalo paid for Leino for SIX freaking years. If a guy with one decent stat line under his belt is worth almost $5 mil then certainly the best UFA center after Richards is worth more, especially if he's agreeing to a 2 year deal. For a guy who is three years older, has only had a better season than the other (albeit untested) player in question twice and hasn't played a full NHL season since before the lockout? If Tim Connolly had been signed here for those numbers, there would be riots of Vancouvish Proportions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumbPuck Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 My hope in this Sabres team is renewed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramps Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 What do you mean? That's just north of what Buffalo paid for Leino for SIX freaking years. If a guy with one decent stat line under his belt is worth almost $5 mil then certainly the best UFA center after Richards is worth more, especially if he's agreeing to a 2 year deal. Think I would have signed Arnott for 2 years over TC, given his injury track record. I'll admit paying Leino 4.5M/6 yrs is a gamble, but I think his potential merits that cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR HOLLIDAY Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Timmy is get chewed up by the desperate Leaf fans and super annoying leaf press, its not gonna be pretty. As a side note another american on the leafs, lol........ :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey Heaven Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 My hope in this Sabres team is renewed. It is. Only thing is some people can't see it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted July 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 I think his potential merits that cash. Cue the tired debate about contracts paying achievement vs paying expectation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesportsbuff Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 For a guy who is three years older, has only had a better season than the other (albeit untested) player in question twice and hasn't played a full NHL season since before the lockout? If Tim Connolly had been signed here for those numbers, there would be riots of Vancouvish Proportions. Not counting Leino's first year in Detroit (only played 13 games, so irrelevant really), his career stats are as follows: 2009-10: 55GP, 6 G, 5 A and a -8 2010-11: 81GP, 19G, 34A, and a +14 TC: 2007-08: 48GP, 7G, 33A, +4 2008-09: 48GP, 18G, 29A, +12 2009-10: 73GP, 17G, 48A, +10 2010:-11: 68GP, 13G, 29A, -10 While Connolly may only have eclipsed Leino's 53 points twice, he's come very close to doing it in years where he's missed half of the season. Tim Connolly is a productive, nearly a point per game player. Go ahead and call him "injury prone" because of his concussion issues. That's a real manly thing to do. Paul Kariya and Eric Lindros retired because of concussion problems. Marc Savard might not play again because of concussion problems. They are a BIG DEAL. He's not "injury prone" because he missed games with post concussion syndrome. Let me put it this way-- remember how LIVID Sabres fans were when Connolly signed 2 years @ 4.5 mil based on him scoring 18G and 29A in the 48 games he played the second half of 2008-09? Because honestly that deal makes a whole lot more sense than the Leino deal at SIX years based off of 19G and 34 assists with a stacked Philly team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clancynut Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Lets see Connolly's last two playoffs a total of 3 points and a 29 game scoreless streak. Leino last two playoffs (totaling 30 games) 10 goals and 16 assists for 26 points. Yeah I will stick with Leino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kishoph Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Watch him score 40 this year. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 So, Deluca, is Burke still your model GM? :nana: I LOVED the team Burke had in Anaheim (yeah, I know he inherited a bunch of it). And I really like the philosphy for team building that he spoke of so much when TO hired him (2 kill you with skill lines, 2 hard to play against lines, 2 skil defenders, and 4 hard to play against defenders). But I gotta say, I can't even remotely consider him as a decent GM anymore. Until now I kept thinking, "he's got a long way to come up, it'll take time". But I think the statute of limitations is over. Especially if he's willing to pay that much for the Tin Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey Heaven Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Connolly's gone and we have Leino. I'm happy no matter how many spin doctors try to down play it. GO SABRES!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Not counting Leino's first year in Detroit (only played 13 games, so irrelevant really), his career stats are as follows: 2009-10: 55GP, 6 G, 5 A and a -8 2010-11: 81GP, 19G, 34A, and a +14 TC: 2007-08: 48GP, 7G, 33A, +4 2008-09: 48GP, 18G, 29A, +12 2009-10: 73GP, 17G, 48A, +10 2010:-11: 68GP, 13G, 29A, -10 While Connolly may only have eclipsed Leino's 53 points twice, he's come very close to doing it in years where he's missed half of the season. Tim Connolly is a productive, nearly a point per game player. Go ahead and call him "injury prone" because of his concussion issues. That's a real manly thing to do. Paul Kariya and Eric Lindros retired because of concussion problems. Marc Savard might not play again because of concussion problems. They are a BIG DEAL. He's not "injury prone" because he missed games with post concussion syndrome. Let me put it this way-- remember how LIVID Sabres fans were when Connolly signed 2 years @ 4.5 mil based on him scoring 18G and 29A in the 48 games he played the second half of 2008-09? Because honestly that deal makes a whole lot more sense than the Leino deal at SIX years based off of 19G and 34 assists with a stacked Philly team. About the only counter I will come up with for you position re: Leino's contract is that the cap is way bigger now than it was then. I think it makes sense to compare what % of the cap ceiling Leino's and Connolly's contract is/was. ( I don't have the ambition to do it myself or I would :blush: ) You do make an interesting point about what is likely a substantial overpayment for Leino. Just be careful how strongly and frequently you comment on it around here. You know, it's kinda frowned upon as counterproductive. :ph34r: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braedon Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Not counting Leino's first year in Detroit (only played 13 games, so irrelevant really), his career stats are as follows: 2009-10: 55GP, 6 G, 5 A and a -8 2010-11: 81GP, 19G, 34A, and a +14 TC: 2007-08: 48GP, 7G, 33A, +4 2008-09: 48GP, 18G, 29A, +12 2009-10: 73GP, 17G, 48A, +10 2010:-11: 68GP, 13G, 29A, -10 While Connolly may only have eclipsed Leino's 53 points twice, he's come very close to doing it in years where he's missed half of the season. Tim Connolly is a productive, nearly a point per game player. Go ahead and call him "injury prone" because of his concussion issues. That's a real manly thing to do. Paul Kariya and Eric Lindros retired because of concussion problems. Marc Savard might not play again because of concussion problems. They are a BIG DEAL. He's not "injury prone" because he missed games with post concussion syndrome. Let me put it this way-- remember how LIVID Sabres fans were when Connolly signed 2 years @ 4.5 mil based on him scoring 18G and 29A in the 48 games he played the second half of 2008-09? Because honestly that deal makes a whole lot more sense than the Leino deal at SIX years based off of 19G and 34 assists with a stacked Philly team. Not just the concussions: Face, sternum, groin, tailbone, hip, hip flexor, foot........ The concussions are not part of being injury prone, but unfortunately they decrease his longevity. And as cruel as it is, that makes him a huge risk for a professional club. I for one am tired of the head injury problem in the NHL and empathize with TC, Savard, Drury, Kariya, Lindros, Lafontaine etc. However I'm going to think twice about dishing out terms to a risky player if I'm a GM. Just the ugly side of business. And your numbers do pose the question regarding the terms we just gave Leino. But the fact of the matter is, he's produced a hell of a lot more than TC when it mattered, i.e. in the SCP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted July 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 It comes down to the ###### old argument: contracts paying for achievement vs contracts paying for expectation. Neither Connolly or Leino has laid great groundwork for paying based on achievement. So that means we paid both on expectation. remember how LIVID Sabres fans were when Connolly signed 2 years @ 4.5 mil based on him scoring 18G and 29A in the 48 games he played the second half of 2008-09? We were livid because we knew exactly what Connolly was from watching him: he was streaky, lazy, and hurt. And the front office paid him on the expectation that he wouldn't be streaky, lazy, and hurt. And guess what? He was streaky, lazy, and hurt. Connolly failed to meet expectations (understatement). Now the front office is paying Leino based on the expectation of being able to produce as a top-six center. No body knows if Leino will meet expectations, but the pro scouts believe he has the ability, so we put him in. Any inflation of salary and terms are a product of doing business on the free agent market, not a testament to Leino's achievements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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