korab rules Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 I would also say that Paille is on the bubble/potential trade bait this year. He reminds me of Grosek. The organization has a history of trading guys of his ilk when they don't play up to expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stenbaro Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Okay, so the NFL season is starting which means that the NHL is just around the corner. What does the opening day roster look like as of right now? So far, looks like Stafford is re-signed, Grier is back, Peters is gone (where'd he go, anyway?), and Gerbe wants to play with the big boys. What does the rest of the roster look like? As things evolve, I'll update the first post of this thread. Offense 1st Line: Vanek, Connolly, Stafford 2nd Line: MacArthur, Roy, Pomminstein 3rd Line: Hecht, Gausted, Grier 4th Line: Paille, Ellis, Kaleta Defense 1st Pair: Rivet, Montador 2nd Pair: Tallinder, Lydman 3rd Pair: Butler, Sekera NOTE: I like these two as a pair; they complement each other Goalie Starter: Ryan Miller Backup: Patrick Lalime Others: McCormick, Mair, Kennedy, Gerbe, Paetsch, Myers Myers is gonna be playing most games this yr..He makes the team as a regular.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VansTheMans Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 I don't think I want Stafford paired with Vanek. Whenever they're on the ice together, it seems like Stafford is always where Vanek wants to be. Only difference is, Stafford doesn't have the skill to knock the pucks in from Vanek's typical scoring locations. I'd rather see Vanek paired with Pommers, with Connolly at center. Plus, I thought Stafford and Roy were developing decent chemistry towards the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todzilla Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 I think with the direction this team is going, you have to get the young guys in now and see what they can give you. We already know what Paille and Clark Mc are going to give 12-17 goals, 35-40 points and long streches of nothing. I would like to see it look like this on opening night: Vanek-Connolly-Pommer Gerbe-Roy-Stafford Hecht-Gaustad-Grier Kaleta-Mair-Ellis Rotate in Kennedy and McCormick If Gerbe makes the team he needs to be a top 6 forward, if you bury him on 3rd or 4th line, what's the point. He needs to play with skill guys. On D, I like these pairs Rivet-Myers (let the kid play with the tough vet) Butler-Sekera Lydman-Montador Tallinder rotates in and Weber is next man up Of course when Timmy gets hurt, this all goes up in smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Vanek-Connolly-Pommer Gerbe-Roy-Stafford Hecht-Gaustad-Grier Kaleta-Mair-Ellis Rotate in Kennedy and McCormick If Gerbe makes the team he needs to be a top 6 forward, if you bury him on 3rd or 4th line, what's the point. He needs to play with skill guys. On D, I like these pairs Rivet-Myers (let the kid play with the tough vet) Butler-Sekera Lydman-Montador Tallinder rotates in and Weber is next man up Of course when Timmy gets hurt, this all goes up in smoke. Pommers definitely should be given a shot with Connolly and Vanek. And I like the D lines quite a bit. I don't know about Gerbe with Roy, though. He could work with Stafford, as Stafford seems to do well taking the pass, and I've noticed Gerbe, if anything, is generous passing the puck. I'm still up in the air about Gerbe; I'd rather see him traded than on a line right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabresfreak98 Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Sabres need almost a totally new direction Vanek-Connolly-Stafford (almost obvious) Hecht-Roy-Pommer (Hecht and Roy work well together) Kennedy-Gaustad-Grier (needed have to mix things up) Paille-Ellis-Kaleta (Ellis only til Mair gets back) defense will be tricky Myers is almost a necessity with the loss of numminen Rivet-Lydman Butler-Montador Tallinder-Myers Need to take the fresh attitude and create something that is going to surprise the NHL like we can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Sabres need almost a totally new direction Vanek-Connolly-Stafford (almost obvious) Hecht-Roy-Pommer (Hecht and Roy work well together) Kennedy-Gaustad-Grier (needed have to mix things up) Paille-Ellis-Kaleta (Ellis only til Mair gets back) defense will be tricky Myers is almost a necessity with the loss of numminen Rivet-Lydman Butler-Montador Tallinder-Myers Need to take the fresh attitude and create something that is going to surprise the NHL like we can And where's Sekera? A work horse like Sekera will remain in the lineup. He'll be there 23 mpg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabresBillsFan Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 I would like to see Weber in there! I think he brings more toughness on defense than Tallinder! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 defense will be tricky Myers is almost a necessity with the loss of numminen I'm curious as to the reasoning behind this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foligno's Nose Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Who's Myers? Here he is: and here: and here: and here: and here: and here: and... finally... HERE!!!!: (the above pictures may not actually depict the Myers on the Sabres roster) I believe that he may be the next great Sabre defenseman though. I don't know if he cracks the roster this year. It would be great. Somebody would have to exit if that happens (ahem...Tallinder). Montador and Lydman have paired together before on the 2004 Calgary flames Stanley Cup Finalist team. They lost the seven-game series, and the Cup, to the Lightning who had a defensive pairing of Nolan Pratt and Cory Sarich. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 I like how everyone's opening day roster has Hecht at wing. I really hope that happens, for our sake and for his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foligno's Nose Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 I like how everyone's opening day roster has Hecht at wing. I really hope that happens, for our sake and for his. It seems Lindy will place him on the second line. I hope he has a complete 180 degree turn from last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foligno's Nose Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 I like how everyone's opening day roster has Hecht at wing. I really hope that happens, for our sake and for his. It seems Lindy will place him on the second line. I hope he has a complete 180 degree turn from last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimiVbaby Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Vanek/Connolly/Stafford Kennedy/Roy/Pomminstein Hecht/Gaustad/Grier Kaleta/MacArthur/Paille Sniper/Playmaker/Power Forward Playmaker/Playmaker/Sniper Grinder/Grinder/Grinder Hit/Jam/Jam Notes: Good mix on the first line, Connolly can make the passes with Stafford and Vanek putting them home. If they Connolly stay(s) healthy and play up to potential this could be a legit first line. I think Kennedy makes the team ahead of Gerbe and from I've seen and heard he's an offensive threat and should not be on the third line. Third line should be defensively responsible, hit and shut down a teams top line. This line is the best to do that. Also, Hecht should not come close to ever playing on a scoring line even though he's paid like a top six forward. Kaleta hits, Mac and Paille should provide some hard work along the boards (hopefully) and make other teams expend energy. There's actually some scoring touch on this line with Paille and Mac. Ellis knows his role and will play when told to do so. McCormick will play a Peters role. Mair is injured, and by the time he comes back someone else will be too. Rivet/Butler Lydman/Montador Sekera/Weber Notes: As much as I want Myers here, when has Darcy ever rushed a prospect? Weber is in the final year of his rookie contract if I remember correctly, he's gotta play. Lydman and Montador make sense, both tough the latter maybe more than the former. I'm not as down on Lydman as many other people. Sure he takes hard to swallow penalties, but he lead the team blocked shots. I think it's more that people get bored with him. Tallinder will need to work his way out of the Lindy Ruff dog house or he will be subbed in and out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 It seems Lindy will place him on the second line. I hope he has a complete 180 degree turn from last year. I personally think he'll be worth his contract this year,.. if he plays wing. He's just not a center and I don't know why it took so long to figure that out. I'm doing my best right now in refraining from a Lindy comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsrcursed Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Vanek/Connolly/Stafford Kennedy/Roy/Pomminstein Hecht/Gaustad/Grier Kaleta/MacArthur/Paille Sniper/Playmaker/Power Forward Playmaker/Playmaker/Sniper Grinder/Grinder/Grinder Hit/Jam/Jam Notes: Good mix on the first line, Connolly can make the passes with Stafford and Vanek putting them home. If they Connolly stay(s) healthy and play up to potential this could be a legit first line. I think Kennedy makes the team ahead of Gerbe and from I've seen and heard he's an offensive threat and should not be on the third line. Third line should be defensively responsible, hit and shut down a teams top line. This line is the best to do that. Also, Hecht should not come close to ever playing on a scoring line even though he's paid like a top six forward. Kaleta hits, Mac and Paille should provide some hard work along the boards (hopefully) and make other teams expend energy. There's actually some scoring touch on this line with Paille and Mac. Ellis knows his role and will play when told to do so. McCormick will play a Peters role. Mair is injured, and by the time he comes back someone else will be too. Rivet/Butler Lydman/Montador Sekera/Weber Notes: As much as I want Myers here, when has Darcy ever rushed a prospect? Weber is in the final year of his rookie contract if I remember correctly, he's gotta play. Lydman and Montador make sense, both tough the latter maybe more than the former. I'm not as down on Lydman as many other people. Sure he takes hard to swallow penalties, but he lead the team blocked shots. I think it's more that people get bored with him. Tallinder will need to work his way out of the Lindy Ruff dog house or he will be subbed in and out. Wow, that's actually interesting what you came up with. I think I like this idea best, although I highly doubt Lindy opts to keep Hank out of the line-up. Nice job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted September 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Good thoughts all.... I think I'll leave the lineup as is for now, and see how the first few preseason games play out before tweaking the lineups in the first post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stenbaro Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 I'm curious as to the reasoning behind this one. I have no reasoning behind his statement but I tell you without a doubt Myers will be a top 5 defensman with the Sabres to start the season and he will be on the roster for the year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimiVbaby Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Wow, that's actually interesting what you came up with. I think I like this idea best, although I highly doubt Lindy opts to keep Hank out of the line-up. Nice job! He did seem to be a healthy scratch towards the end of the season. Unless he comes out like gangbusters (which is nearly impossible) I think he may play the same role that Max did last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 He did seem to be a healthy scratch towards the end of the season. Unless he comes out like gangbusters (which is nearly impossible) I think he may play the same role that Max did last year. Hank can be a useful player. I really think, once the season starts, a few more minor deals will go down in the NHL and if the Sabres have too many d-men, i think it'll be easier to make a deal once the season starts. Either due to rookies failing, others not fulfilling expectations or injuries. I have a hard time believing that we would have that hard of a time to trade Tallinder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Hank can be a useful player. I really think, once the season starts, a few more minor deals will go down in the NHL and if the Sabres have too many d-men, i think it'll be easier to make a deal once the season starts. Either due to rookies failing, others not fulfilling expectations or injuries. I have a hard time believing that we would have that hard of a time to trade Tallinder. Well, I think Darcy tried all summer to trade him and was unsuccessful. It's hard to get someone to take a $3MM albatross these days without taking one back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Well, I think Darcy tried all summer to trade him and was unsuccessful. It's hard to get someone to take a $3MM albatross these days without taking one back. There's also the possibility that the return you're willing to accept changes quite a bit if certain players step it up in camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Well, I think Darcy tried all summer to trade him and was unsuccessful. It's hard to get someone to take a $3MM albatross these days without taking one back. Nobody knows what Sabres wanted this summer for Tallinder. Maybe just a salary dump so just a mid-draft pick. Maybe now they take back a player with just a smaller amount of $$. Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 There's also the possibility that the return you're willing to accept changes quite a bit if certain players step it up in camp. Nobody knows what Sabres wanted this summer for Tallinder. Maybe just a salary dump so just a mid-draft pick. Maybe now they take back a player with just a smaller amount of $$. Who knows. Both of these are reasonable posts. I just think that Darcy would've been happy with a straight salary dump -- ie Tallinder for a 4th-round pick -- and wasn't able to find any takers. Of course I have absolutely nothing to support that theory other than Darcy mentioning in one of his summer interviews that he thought the ability to free up salary was itself valuable (and this was in response to a question about trading players for draft picks in order to unload salary). Now, what remains a possibility is Tallinder starting the season off and playing decently, a good team loses a couple of defensemen to injury, and suddenly the GM restarts a conversation he had with Darcy a couple of months ago about Tallinder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsrcursed Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Funny how Hank suddenly becomes one of the more "interesting" players on the team this year. It could be a double-edged sword in terms of moving him early in the season. If he starts playing good, do we honestly think Darcy will move him as a salary dump? He may get greedy and blow it. If he comes out poorly, then who's going to want him? Worse yet, if he actually does hit Lindy's doghouse, we can pretty much forget about a move, unless he's somehow combined with another player. Personally, I hope he comes out and plays lights out ala pre-broken arm, but I have about as much faith in that as I have in Perry fewell, so..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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