carpandean Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Pretty nasty: <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value=" name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src=" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 how is that a sucker punch? they were facing each other and shoving each other around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickshaw Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Jovo gave him a shot with the stick, but he clearly has 2 hands on the stick. The guy suckered him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Jovo gave him a shot with the stick, but he clearly has 2 hands on the stick. The guy suckered him. Â Â I guess my definition is a little different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 LOL Jovo got rocked. I wonder if he'll spear Walker next time..... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted January 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 I guess my definition is a little different. Maybe not a true sucker punch where the guy isn't expecting anything, but in general, if the other guy hasn't dropped his gloves, it's still a sucker punch. A fight in hockey involves to guys with there gloves off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp000085 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Jovanoski got PWNED. He didn't drop his stick cause he wasn't quick enough. Walker just owned him. That wasn't a sucker punch if you look at the replay. They were squared off and jawing at each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 that's not a sucker punch, that's a sucker that got punched. Â :bag: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 I guess my definition is a little different. My definition is the same as yours then. The reason he still had two hands on the stick was because he never let go of it when he punched Walker in the face. Pwned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 My definition is the same as yours then. The reason he still had two hands on the stick was because he never let go of it when he punched Walker in the face. Pwned. Â That's how I saw it, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted January 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Like I said, not a true sucker punch like Nichol on Spacek or Bertuzzi on Moore, but you can't drop your gloves and start punching somebody that has two gloves on and his stick in both hands, either. Jovanovski didn't punch him, he gave him a little cross-check to his upper chest. His right hand didn't contact anything so it continued a little further than his left, but it was still just a crosscheck. I'm sure Jovanovski was thinking that it could end up being a fight and, knowing him, he wouldn't have had a problem with that, but you still have to wait until the other guy drops. Â That said, I didn't post this to start a debate about what is or is not a (borderline) "sucker punch". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickshaw Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 It was a 5-0 game at the time if I am correct. Jovo wasn't gonna fight in that situation. Walker knew he f'd up after seeing the result. Â It wasn't a classic sucker but still. This is like Crosby too. Jumping guys before they are fully ready. Man up, square up and go but none of this jumping the gun stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacc Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 While it may not be considered a sucker punch it is a cheap shot by hockey standards. In the Laraque story that someone posted he mentions this specific scenario.  THE CODE  Which brings me to the next subject: The Code. The Code is unwritten -- everyone knows it, but not everyone follows it, and those who don't are not respected. When you retire, respect is all you have left, and you want people to say that you were honourable at all times. At least I do.  The Code says things like:  * not fighting a guy at the end of his shift  * not jumping guys to get a head start  * never punch a guy when he's down (that's the most important thing for me; players -- and referees -- know I never do)  * and, especially, don't celebrate after a fight. You see that stuff a lot in junior hockey, but for guys who do it in the NHL, it's embarrassing and shows no respect for the other guy. Remember that everything you do comes back to you; you do that, it will happen to you because everyone is watching and talking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R_Dudley Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 While it may not be considered a sucker punch it is a cheap shot by hockey standards. In the Laraque story that someone posted he mentions this specific scenario.  THE CODE  Which brings me to the next subject: The Code. The Code is unwritten -- everyone knows it, but not everyone follows it, and those who don't are not respected. When you retire, respect is all you have left, and you want people to say that you were honourable at all times. At least I do.  The Code says things like:  * not fighting a guy at the end of his shift  * not jumping guys to get a head start  * never punch a guy when he's down (that's the most important thing for me; players -- and referees -- know I never do)  * and, especially, don't celebrate after a fight. You see that stuff a lot in junior hockey, but for guys who do it in the NHL, it's embarrassing and shows no respect for the other guy. Remember that everything you do comes back to you; you do that, it will happen to you because everyone is watching and talking!  Not that I would usually disagree with many of the well respected posters here but I do have too agree with Carp on this one and was going to use same material but the rookie here beat me to it right out of Laraques Blog on "the code..." Well played amacc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Not that I would usually disagree with many of the well respected posters here but I do have too agree with Carp on this one and was going to use same material but the rookie here beat me to it right out of Laraques Blog on "the code..." Well played amacc. Â that's fine. however, I would just say it was more a breach of etiquette or "code" than a sucker punch. Sucker punches come when you don't see them or you are unable to defend yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trey Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 It was a 5-0 game at the time if I am correct. Jovo wasn't gonna fight in that situation. Walker knew he f'd up after seeing the result. It wasn't a classic sucker but still. This is like Crosby too. Jumping guys before they are fully ready. Man up, square up and go but none of this jumping the gun stuff.  The problem is that people now a days are antagonizing and then not dropping the gloves when the other player does. I hate to say it, but we have seen plenty of this on the Sabres this year. Maybe it's a smart play from a tactical standpoint, but from a hockey standpoint I think it sucks. If you're going to antagonize then drop the gloves.  So, while I think Walker should have waited for Jovanovski to drop them, he wasn't going to. He just wanted to take the punch and get the PP (IMO). Turned out it was a pretty hard punch. I can only hope that it was hard enough that next time he would rather fight than just take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 I can't believe I'm signing on for the first time in ages to jump in for SDS, but I am! Â Jovanowski, Kaleta'd it. He took a hit into the boards, chopped back with his stick, Walker pushed back, Jovanowski comes at him with gear still on.....Jovanowski knows better than that and in my opinion is fully engaged, gloves or not. At 5-0 it is even MORE obvious things can get nasty. Â Walker assumed that it was tango time. How many hundreds of times have we seen gloves fling in the air simultaneously as the fists fly? Â The king of the early punch is Mair. If he can't get the first off before you, he comes with the left to try and get you off guard. I never laughed so hard as when Tootoo beat him to the draw last year. Someone studied some game film! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 I can't believe I'm signing on for the first time in ages to jump in for SDS, but I am! Â Thanks... I think. :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 I can't believe I'm signing on for the first time in ages to jump in for SDS, but I am! Â Â Thanks... I think. :unsure: Â Â Third man in - have to give Ghost a game suspension now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 that's fine. however, I would just say it was more a breach of etiquette or "code" than a sucker punch. Sucker punches come when you don't see them or you are unable to defend yourself. Â I agree. I think Walker had every reason to believe it was go time.... Jovo was square in the offensive zone behind the goaltender (he's a defenseman) and crosschecked him in the yap. There is no reason to be in that position which is why I think it was only a double minor for Walker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwcolour Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 He jumped him like a dirty rat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted January 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 The king of the early punch is Mair. If he can't get the first off before you, he comes with the left to try and get you off guard. I never laughed so hard as when Tootoo beat him to the draw last year. Someone studied some game film! Yeah, but Tootoo missed with that early shot. The reason that Mair lost is that he also missed with his first shot, but being more of a full swing (verses Tootoo's quick shot), it took him way off balance. He never got his feet back as Tootoo completely capitalized. ( ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Balls Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Jovo looked like he was doing his best Kaleta impression. He knew Walker was going to drop and he didn't seem to have any intention on dropping his gloves and got drilled for it. It was a little cheap, but if you're going to take that posture with someone, be ready to man up and go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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