johnnychemo Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Notice the progression here - a questionable hit on Drury, the hit on Kaberle in which the actual hit was ok by league standards, just not the timing, to this. Had Neil (who publicly acknowledged an intent to injure btw) drawn a stiff fine and suspension (say 5 games and $10k), we may not be where we are now on this. The NHL needs to take a cue from the NFL regarding these cheapshots. At times the NFL is overbearing, but it sure as hell cuts down on the incidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnyguy Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Hollweg should be held accountable for coming across the middle of the ice with his head down. And I believe Hollwegs chinstrap was loose. What does he expect when he wears it so loose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Late hits are one thing. There is no defending this. He should be done for the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjsbu96 Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Notice the progression here - a questionable hit on Drury, the hit on Kaberle in which the actual hit was ok by league standards, just not the timing, to this. Had Neil (who publicly acknowledged an intent to injure btw) drawn a stiff fine and suspension (say 5 games and $10k), we may not be where we are now on this. The NHL needs to take a cue from the NFL regarding these cheapshots. At times the NFL is overbearing, but it sure as hell cuts down on the incidents. chris neil could have gotten 50 games, that would not have stopped what Simon did last night. I feel as though I can somehow justify just about anything a hockey player does on the ice b/c of the competition, pressure, etc. that is until you use the stick as a weapon. what he did last night was absurd - in a 1-1 hockey game, in a playoff-type atmosphere and in retaliation to a relatively light and legal hit. I think the NHL stands up on this one and gets rid of him the remainder of the season and the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niagara66 Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Maybe, but not on the ice. This isn't an attack on you, niagara66, but it drives me nuts when people try to bring in legal charges in cases like this. It wasn't necessary to charge Marty McSorley with some silly battery charge and it's not necessary to charge Simon with something similar. This is just an on-ice situation and should stay that way. I hear ya and I generally agree. The thing is, the Drury hit, the Kaberle hit...they were arguably part of the game. While late and cheap, both were checks. I like a good hockey fight/big hit as much as the next guy but this is different. Using the stick as a weapon to deliberately slash someone in the face is not part of the game of hockey (See highsticking, cross checking, slashing). This was no accidental high stick, this guy gripped it with both hands and swung for the face. Then kicked the stick out of his unconscious hand as he skated by. He's lucky he caught it on the chin instead of the windpipe. I agree that criminal charges should not be filed because where would that stop? Guys leaving in cuffs instead of going to the penalty box? Ridiculous. This guy's dangerous though, and the league should ban him, or at least suspend him for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knightrider Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Well, the NHL wanted to get attention on ESPN and now they've got it for all the wrong reasons. That was precisely what I was thinking. I thought the NHL had managed to get past this crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristian Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Suspension? #%^$#! that, kick this guy out of the league, period. The Janssen/Kaberle, Neil/Drury incidents are NOTHING compared to this. This warrants assualt charges in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Hollweg is lucky to be alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcsaberks Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 I'd give him 5 years. Go get a job bouncing at the local bar or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnyguy Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Perhaps it was a bad idea for Simon to be watching that video montage of Billy Smith highlights before the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knightrider Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Maybe, but not on the ice. This isn't an attack on you, niagara66, but it drives me nuts when people try to bring in legal charges in cases like this. It wasn't necessary to charge Marty McSorley with some silly battery charge and it's not necessary to charge Simon with something similar. This is just an on-ice situation and should stay that way. Legal charges should be brought if the league is allowing stuff like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabregoats Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Maybe, but not on the ice. This isn't an attack on you, niagara66, but it drives me nuts when people try to bring in legal charges in cases like this. It wasn't necessary to charge Marty McSorley with some silly battery charge and it's not necessary to charge Simon with something similar. This is just an on-ice situation and should stay that way. If this on the ice situation happened in any amateur leages it would be a legal issue so i don't undertsand how it should be any different in the NHL. An intent to injure no longer falls within the lines of an on ice situation, in fact this incident in my mind was an intent to kill. You just don't slash someone in the throat, just like you dont kick a guy in the junk in a fight. If someone gets pissed enough to try to kill someone they should be out of the league period. Maybe, but not on the ice. This isn't an attack on you, niagara66, but it drives me nuts when people try to bring in legal charges in cases like this. It wasn't necessary to charge Marty McSorley with some silly battery charge and it's not necessary to charge Simon with something similar. This is just an on-ice situation and should stay that way. If this on the ice situation happened in any amateur leages it would be a legal issue so i don't undertsand how it should be any different in the NHL. An intent to injure no longer falls within the lines of an on ice situation, in fact this incident in my mind was an intent to kill. You just don't slash someone in the throat, just like you dont kick a guy in the junk in a fight. If someone gets pissed enough to try to kill someone they should be out of the league period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spandrel Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 That was precisely what I was thinking. I thought the NHL had managed to get past this crap. I'm convinced that ESPN can't get enough of these "lowlights" that paint the league as goonish thuggery. Thanks, Chris for helping 'em out with further creating that impression. It is crap like this that continues to dig the NHL's grave when it comes to national exposure. The NHL is suffering from "NFL Offensive Linemen Syndrome". The only time you hear about them is when they are getting penalized. :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connee Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Maybe, but not on the ice. This isn't an attack on you, niagara66, but it drives me nuts when people try to bring in legal charges in cases like this. It wasn't necessary to charge Marty McSorley with some silly battery charge and it's not necessary to charge Simon with something similar. This is just an on-ice situation and should stay that way. Smashing a guy in the back of the skull with a hard piece of lumber is "silly"? You're saying if a person physically assaults someone at the workplace, that it's none of law enforcements business? So if you are at your office, and someone smashes you in the head with a chair and knocks you out, charges shouldn't be filed? If these thugs knew they could be arrested would they continually assault their co-workers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 That was unbelievably cheap. Should be a 1 year suspension for that!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimFandango Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Suspension announced.... but not really. Simon gets an indefinite ban until a hearing can be held. No idea when that hearing will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spandrel Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 I hear everyone on talk radio comparing it to Bertuzzi's hit, but to me, I would compare it more to Dale Hunter's cheap shot on Pierre Turgeon in the '93 playoffs. Dale Hunter gave up the puck in his zone and Turgeon scored and Hunter retaliated with the blindside shot. In Bertuzzi's case, I don't think his intent was to drive Moore's head into the ice. I think that he wanted to sucker-punch him, but I think that the way circumstances played out, Moore had his head driven into the ice. I don't think that Bertuzzi would have considered the 1 in 20 possibility that he would ride Moore's head into the ice when he decided to sucker-punch him. I think he figured that he'd just pop him and then they'd pair off. In Simon's case, the expected INTENT of clotheslining a defenseless skater with your skater is to cause severe injury. That is why I think Simon could/should receive a 1-year suspension. Dale Hunter got 21 and his intent was just to "knock a defenseless Turgeon down". Simon's intent was much more nefarious. I think that the league has to consider Simon's intent in assessing his penalty. If he is capable of snapping and intending grave injury on the ice, he can not be allowed to play again. He is a legitimate danger to other skaters in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabregoats Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 I think that the league has to consider Simon's intent in assessing his penalty. If he is capable of snapping and intending grave injury on the ice, he can not be allowed to play again. He is a legitimate danger to other skaters in the league. I think this sums it up perfectly, he actuallly snapped and acted out violently, which has no place in any organized sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Suspension announced.... but not really. Simon gets an indefinite ban until a hearing can be held. No idea when that hearing will be. Sounds like we are down to either out until the playoffs or done for the season.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodfella25 Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 How many more guys have to get hurt before this league and its scumbag leadership recognized that there is a serious problem in the NHL with cheapshots and headshots? I know this isn't the same thing as the hit on Drury or whatever, but here we have yet another disgusting incident. Suspending Simon should only be the beginning, this needs to lead to a league-wide forum and the set up of mandatory minimum suspensions IMO. And if anyone says it's not that bad because Hollweg didn't get hurt that badly, you are ignorant because whether the guy was badly injured or not, there's no place for that kind of thing. They should treat it as if he was injured for the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 I have officially stopped caring about thuggery in the NHL until anyone within the infrastructure of the league gives a flying poop about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Balls Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Simon should be done until October, but remember, this happened in NY. Does the NHL have the nads to suspend a player from such a big market team for too long, especially a team right in their back yard fighting for the playoffs? You know, Colon and Carrie have to think about their well-being, seeing how their office's are so close to the fans of such team. If they suspend Simon for too long, some of the crazy NYC fans might retaliate against them. I actually think this is some of the crap these two asshats take into consideration when struggling to come up with what should be a decision my 4 year old daughter could make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app?articleid=29024...ge&service=page We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Balls Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Wonder if he can appeal the suspension until the hearing takes place. I wouldn't think so, but who knows with the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Wings Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Simon should be done until October, but remember, this happened in NY. Does the NHL have the nads to suspend a player from such a big market team for too long, especially a team right in their back yard fighting for the playoffs? You know, Colon and Carrie have to think about their well-being, seeing how their office's are so close to the fans of such team. If they suspend Simon for too long, some of the crazy NYC fans might retaliate against them. I actually think this is some of the crap these two asshats take into consideration when struggling to come up with what should be a decision my 4 year old daughter could make. First of all, it's ludicrous to suggest that the Islanders fans will retaliate against the NHL.....some of them have been suggesting that he be suspended for a full calendar year, so I don't see how they'll "retaliate" against Campbell/Bettman. Even so, there hasn't even been a hint of anyone coming close to defending Simon's action. Also, this stick-swat is much different than the hits by Neil or Janssen....those hits were hockey checks, not taking your stick and swinging it at someone's head. This should have a Bertuzzi-type, long-term suspension attached to it. This is the type of action that nobody - even an on-ice enforcer - should ever want to see. Simon should be suspended for as long as the Islanders are playing this year, regardless of where his team is located. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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