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I suppose, but particular judgments will be proven more or less correct or not by how the future plays out. So far, the bleak side is on a fourteen year winning streak. Let's hope the ridiculous odds for even a badly run team missing the playoffs that length of time finally tilt in favor of the long-suffering fans. (Unless, of course, one secretly blames the fans, and believe they deserve it. There are the odd sadists out there who think like that.)

What's wrong with that? That's the nature of following a team or sports in general before the games are actually played. As of today, I haven't met anyone who is prescient. Even successful gamblers lose a lot. That's the nature of the beast.

This is the ongoing mo of ka. It's all hopefully players play better this year instead of going out there and getting players that are better

We can say anything we want and we're not right or wrong because we are just making it up as we go.

I readily admit that this is strictly my hope with almost no foundation behind it you are 100% correct in that assumption ... now you have to give something to get so I am not sure that Utah didnt have some hope for that but clearly they were not at all convinced ...

His... checks notes... 62 game nhl career? Well, that's certainly true. Idk what Doan will be but I don't think he's a toss in. Is he a 25pt bottom 6 guy with good defense or a 50pt top 6 guy with good defense? Guess we'll see but I'd bet this year will be up and down for him.

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So embedded is acting, meaning they have Al the people read from a script? Interesting. I’m sure the opposing gms would love that

Well he hasn't done anything noteworthy in his NHL career yet. We shall see. Again, we shall see how "hard" he is. That was the sales pitch on Malentstyn too. I don't believe a word "embedded" says.

Embedded implies otherwise. Adams said the trade wasn’t happening cuz Utah would include Doan in the trade, they “consider him a glue piece to the team.” he’s may not be a top 6 forward but he’s not a throw-in either

Guys that were healthy scratches that are still here: Quinn, Samuelsson, Malenstyn. For frustrated guys from last year, you missed one, Aube-Kubel. Guy never garnered any trust from Ruff. (Not saying he should've had it; but he absolutely didn't.)

Few people are categorizing him as a top line forward. He’s a lower line forward who plays a hard style of game.

Here’s something I have not seen posted about: If you had to identify the most frustrated Sabres last year would any of Cozens, Lafferty. Clifton, Peterka and Jokiharju not be on the list? I wonder how many of square pegs with Ruff are left? Who did they miss? Quinn maybe? Samuelsson?

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Change is never non-consequential. Every piece In and out resets the chemistry and creates opportunity. Chychrun for Jensen helped both teams. Adding Steven Stamkos for nothing helped torpedo the Predators. St Louis signed 6-goal scorer Dylan Holloway and got 60-point scorer Dylan Holloway. People don’t know if the Sabres got better. And their view of the changes won’t matter. But they will continue to expect they haven’t until they do.

That's debatable. Highly debatable based on what we know.

Sometimes it is semantics. I think Kesselring was the main piece in the trade, but I don't think Doan was a throw in, and positionally, Peterka is a RW subtraction and Doan is an addition, though obviously not of equal value. And this is going outside this specific question, but while I agree that the overall performance of the team is ultimately what matters, that is almost axiomatic, I still think there is value in analyzing the parts. In terms of the latter, I think positional comparison the more straight forward. If others find other ways of analysis more helpful or interesting, naturally, that is an individual prerogative.

Those are the MAIN PIECES. The other bigger change is Cozens/Norris as I've said repeatedly. The rest is non consequential.

Well that's kind of my point. They threw him in as an extra. They saw him as a replaceable bottom end player. People here are talking like he's going to be a top line power forward. It's a little far fetched to say the least. Doan could be an upgrade from our bottom 3 of last year but I really don't see him above Krebs level. Don't remember the details or perceptions at that time so I can't really say.

I don't think so, you've shifted the conversation multiple times. The off season isn't summed up as JJ out Kesselring in. You've admitted as such. So then you disagree with PF that the comparison is losing JJ for Kesselring.

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Vancouver didn’t have high regard for Michael Peca when they included him in the Mogilny deal.

Maybe with Adams. I think the rest of the world knows that he's not very good.

My understanding is that KA wouldn't accept a one for one (JJP for Keisseiring) deal. So Doan was added to the deal to satisfy KA. How good will each of our new acquisitions play for us? TBD. For me, this was a fair deal for both sides.

You're just wishing and hoping. It's all they leave us with every year. If this guy if that guy maybe him maybe maybe maybe. Rarely doe much of it come to fruition though. Utah obviously didn't feel this way about Doan or they wouldn't have made the deal.