GDT: Sabres @ Jets, December 5, 2025 @ 7PM on MSG, TSN, ESPN+

[Crusader1969]

33 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

If you walk away from this game thinking UPL is the problem, I am at a loss for words. The team in front of him is a total clown show. 🤡 I don't care what goalie plays behind this team. They will all have save percentages in the .800's. 

I don't agree.  The goalies are average at best.  
BUT the turnovers are egregious 

[LGR4GM]

46 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

Maybe the Sabres will have a players only meeting after this one

And maybe scallops will fly out of me underpants 

[Crusader1969]

3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Just the fact so many goals we allow come off of turnovers should tell you everything. Better goalie? How about fewer mistakes?

Both? 

[Taro T]

34 minutes ago, HumanSlinky39 said:

I thought he was serviceable the first 20-ish games but he has been horrific the last week or two. Like unplayable bad.

Sometimes it takes a while, but except for when he plays with Dahlin, Byram seems to have that effect on all his partners.

[LGR4GM]

Just now, Taro T said:

Sometimes it takes a while, but except for when he plays with Dahlin, Byram seems to have that effect on all his partners.

Should have trade him this summer. 

[PerreaultForever]

1 minute ago, Crusader1969 said:

I don't agree.  The goalies are average at best.  
BUT the turnovers are egregious 

Yes, it's always this. Giveaways, turnovers, lost puck battles along with bad net front coverage. Those things lose you games even when you play half decently.

My comment on the game is really just same, same. It's always the same. 

I don't like some of Ruff's line match ups and decisions on who plays and with who but that's nuance not even worth bothering with given the above core problem. Greenway tried to be physical at least. There was that. 

[Taro T]

Just now, LGR4GM said:

Should have trade him this summer. 

Hoped he was going to be paired with Dahlin this year and actually look like a 4th OA pick.  But Samuelsson has been so good with Dahlin, you can't break that up.  And Byram just doesn't seem to click with anyone (else).

[PerreaultForever]

2 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Hoped he was going to be paired with Dahlin this year and actually look like a 4th OA pick.  But Samuelsson has been so good with Dahlin, you can't break that up.  And Byram just doesn't seem to click with anyone (else).

Because he needs to be paired with a stay at home guy, a defender first, and all we have is puck movers. Samuelsson is the closest but the only one. 

[HumanSlinky39]

47 minutes ago, Taro T said:

You sure about that?

23-24 PP% 16.6% 29th ranked  - horrendously bad

22-23 PP% 23.4% 9th ranked  - good

21-22 PP% 21.2% 16th ranked - average

And that "good" year was the year that they had the best PP in the league by far for about 6 weeks, when people hadn't figured out Dahlin -> Thompson -> Blast -> (hopefully a) Goal was the ONLY trick they had in that bag.  They were well over 30% in that stretch (IIRC it was over 35% then, but would have to look at more granualar data to verify that).  Take that stretch out and they're as mediocre/bad as the other years.

I guess I'm remembering that part incorrectly. I do remember times it was really good (like you point out), but overall I guess not. Still, the offense from about the midpoint of 2021/22 and the 2022/23 were quite fun to watch. Of course the D was atrocious and when Granato tried to emphasize that more in 2023/24 the offense dried up. 

I still think Granato's teams looked better coached overall, not that they were particularly good, just that it too often looks like Lindy's teams don't even practice.

Edited 51 minutes ago by HumanSlinky39

[sabresouth]

Ya gotta hand it to ka, he sure can put a team together. From the goalies out through the forwards. It's a wonder some other team hasn't poached him.

Sigh...

[PerreaultForever]

Just want to add I think it's clear Thompson is better at center for the way he likes to play so my centers are Thompson, Norris, McLeod, Kozak (because I like Kozak better than Krebs and not playing Kozak in Winnipeg was a weird decision to me)

[Believer]

Brian Koziol should get a bonus for staying upbeat yet honest in his postgame comments about the Sabres, Pegula, Adams, Ruff, the Coaching staff et al. He apologizes for sounding monotonous.

Even he asks “What will it take to get change?”

[Crusader1969]

1 minute ago, Believer said:

Brian Koziol should get a bonus for staying upbeat yet honest in his postgame comments about the Sabres, Pegula, Adams, Ruff, the Coaching staff et al. He apologizes for sounding monotonous.

Even he asks “What will it take to get change?”

An owner that gives two shits? 

[gilbert11]

Another empty net goal given up!   
 

Back into a tie with Florida with ten!

[Believer]

10 minutes ago, HumanSlinky39 said:

it too often looks like Lindy's teams don't even practice.

Truth.

[Gatorman0519]

3 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

Actually, in the last 8 games between Buffalo and the Flyers, its 4 wins, 4 losses.

In the last 12 games, its 6 wins, 6 losses.

Go back to 2021-2022, the Sabres had a 5 game win streak over Philly. And that was much the same Sabres team as now (Thompson, Tuch, Dahlin, Krebs, Quinn, Power, 
Samuelsson, Bryson, and UPL were on those teams...Tage with 5 goals across those 6 games and the Sabres leading goal scorer)

I am going off the game I watched the other night. They skated circles around us. Was a mismatch. 

[Spoonman]

45 minutes ago, Believer said:

0 SOG

Norris

Malenstyn

McLeod

Östlund

1 SOG

Quinn

Doan

Samuelson

 

No shooting for the vins.

10 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

An owner that gives two shits? 

 

Not working. 

[Taro T]

19 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Because he needs to be paired with a stay at home guy, a defender first, and all we have is puck movers. Samuelsson is the closest but the only one. 

And have said it before, and at this point it really isn't a knock on Bryson, who is who he is and when not asked to do too much is actually playing well in that 7thD pressed into duty play, but want either Johnson or Novikov (or some other 7th guy that has a D-1st focus) in the lineup which does 2 things - 1 it gives Power a defensive partner to let him freewheel as much as he wants and more importantly, if Byram and Timmins aren't working, you can break Byram and Timmins up without having to take Samuelsson Dahlin apart and without giving Byram a partner he won't be able to be effective with.  (If it isn't working with defensive 1st D-man Timmins, give him the other one, and let Timmins go bcak to playing with Power who did look good together earlier this year.)

[Believer]

I’m done. Goodnight, all.

[mjd1001]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

That might say it all. 

So you're saying you don't know how those two goals were scored? Okay.

No, not what I am saying at all, but if that response makes you feel better about your argument, go for it.

[mjd1001]

.590 point percentage is what gets you into that last playoff spot in the east right now (96.8 point pace).

As of this moment, for the Sabres to get to that level, they have to win the next 9 in a row.

9 wins in a row and you will 'probably' be in 8th in the conference.

They are tied for least points in the confernece. They have the worst point percentage in the conference. They have the worst goal differential in the conference.  They have lost 4 of their last 6 and this is with them getting mostly healthy. So much for the injury excuse too.

This team could be 100 percent healthy, or they could have a record number of injuries...it doesn't seem like it would matter. Either way they would/will finish 10 points out of the playoffs (at least)

Edited 46 minutes ago by mjd1001

[jad1]

8 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

.590 point percentage is what gets you into that last playoff spot in the east right now (96.8 point pace).

As of this moment, for the Sabres to get to that level, they have to win the next 9 in a row.

9 wins in a row and you will 'probably' be in 8th in the conference.

They are tied for least points in the confernece. They have the worst point percentage in the conference. They have the worst goal differential in the conference.  They have lost 4 of their last 6 and this is with them getting mostly healthy. So much for the injury excuse too.

This team could be 100 percent healthy, or they could have a record number of injuries...it doesn't seem like it would matter. Either way they would/will finish 10 points out of the playoffs (at least)

Same s##t, different season. 

[PromoTheRobot]

59 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

Both? 

You don't really know what you have in goal when you endlessly stress them with sloppy play. Good teams simply don't leave their goalies hanging like we do.

[PromoTheRobot]

19 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

No, not what I am saying at all, but if that response makes you feel better about your argument, go for it.

But you didn't see Tuch's egregious turnover at the blue line that led to goal #2, or the keystone cop line change that led to goal #3? You just know UPL's sv% was 8-something. Okay.

[PerreaultForever]

56 minutes ago, Taro T said:

And have said it before, and at this point it really isn't a knock on Bryson, who is who he is and when not asked to do too much is actually playing well in that 7thD pressed into duty play, but want either Johnson or Novikov (or some other 7th guy that has a D-1st focus) in the lineup which does 2 things - 1 it gives Power a defensive partner to let him freewheel as much as he wants and more importantly, if Byram and Timmins aren't working, you can break Byram and Timmins up without having to take Samuelsson Dahlin apart and without giving Byram a partner he won't be able to be effective with.  (If it isn't working with defensive 1st D-man Timmins, give him the other one, and let Timmins go bcak to playing with Power who did look good together earlier this year.)

You know what our GM Pegadams is going to do though right? He's just going to wait for Mrtka.