Report: Sabres sign Bowen Byram to a two year 6.25 million dollar AAV contract extension

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, Thorny said:

We picked the one that ensured we’d be 5
mil+ short of the cap

some will argue it’s a coincidence and not the driver lol 

Ya lol 

$7.3MM cap left with Timmins and Levi to go. You think we're signing both for $2.3MM? 

[GASabresIUFAN]

7 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Keep being you, GA.

Tell me I'm wrong.  Is the goaltending improved? No.  By trading JJP, did Adams damage the offense? Yes.  Kesselring and Timmins were 17 minutes D last season on non-playoffs teams.  That makes them 3rd line D.  Are the Sabres improved?  Maybe marginally, but they aren't close to a playoff team.  Sorry, but those are the facts.

 

Edited 6 hours ago by GASabresIUFAN

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, Flashsabre said:

It’s been obvious from Day 1 that Adams isn’t qualified enough to have a master plan that he can execute and make this team successful.

Every move he makes is reactionary. He constantly puts himself in these positions. 
 

A betting man isn’t betting on the Sabres to make the playoffs next season. 
 

The Adams era has been a complete failure.

You have to explain this to. How is keeping Byram from being offer sheeted and under contract for 2 years, while still being able to trade him a bad thing?

Just now, GASabresIUFAN said:

Tell me I'm wrong.  Is the goaltending improved? No.  By trading JJP, did Adams damage the offense? Yes.  Kesselring and Timmins were 17 minutes D last season.  That makes them 3rd line D on a good team.  Are the Sabres improved?  Maybe marginally, but they aren't close to a playoff team.  Sorry, but those are the facts.

 

Dude, there is nothing I can tell you. You're mind is made up. 

[Thorny]

Just now, thewookie1 said:

He can still be traded rather easily; he's not a UFA for 2 years and we see acquisitions like that all the time.

Not of guys that are locked up on deals exactly to UFA point - they have years of control remaining/the need to negotiate a new contract without a free pass to UFA. Even wtih Reinhart, he was still RFA with the need for a new deal 

of course you think a contract that walks him to UFA doesn’t hurt his trade value. Why would you? He’s a Sabre.

i linked a post in thread where I told you what would happen to a T. By all means get on me, again. They aren’t trading him  

[GASabresIUFAN]

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

You have to explain this to. How is keeping Byram from being offer sheeted and under contract for 2 years, while still being able to trade him a bad thing?

Dude, there is nothing I can tell you. You're mind is made up. 

No, please enlighten me.  Which move this off-season has changed the trajectory of this franchise and made the Sabres a legit contender for the playoffs?

[Flashsabre]

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

You have to explain this to. How is keeping Byram from being offer sheeted and under contract for 2 years, while still being able to trade him a bad thing?

Dude, there is nothing I can tell you. You're mind is made up. 

He puts himself in positions where he has no leverage. And he’s not smart enough to execute anything.

Explain to me going into year 6 what he has done to set this team up to succeed?

[Thorny]

5 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

$7.3MM cap left with Timmins and Levi to go. You think we're signing both for $2.3MM? 

Ya I doubt we carry 3 goalies 

[Taro T]

2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

$7.3MM cap left with Timmins and Levi to go. You think we're signing both for $2.3MM? 

Not speaking for him, but they really need to add 1 more F now that they know they'll have middle 6 money left to spend.

If they don't, those criticizing ownership for being cheap will have something when combined with no coaches getting canned (a S&C coach doesn't count) to use as an argument.

About 1/2 of the league ends up within $2MM of the cap or over it when BF-LTIR is included.  Really want them to be one of those teams that is there at least going through the motions of trying legitimately to compete.

[Thorny]

1 minute ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

No, please enlighten me.  Which move this off-season has changed the trajectory of this franchise and made the Sabres a legit contender for the playoffs?

Dude there’s no hope - I think we have to realize this. If the team can be this blatantly bad and insulting to its fans and still get people refusing to call it out I think it’s a lost cause

1 minute ago, Taro T said:

Not speaking for him, but they really need to add 1 more F now that they know they'll have middle 6 money left to spend.

If they don't, those criticizing ownership for being cheap will have something when combined with no coaches getting canned (a S&C coach doesn't count) to use as an argument.

About 1/2 of the league ends up within $2MM of the cap or over it when BF-LTIR is included.  Really want them to be one of those teams that is there at least going through the motions of trying legitimately to compete.

I think we have the 7th most space right now 

Edited 5 hours ago by Thorny

[pi2000]

Still think he gets traded.

He won't get the opportunity he deserves with Dahlin and Power anchoring the power play units.

In my opinion, he should be ahead of Power on the second unit.

[GASabresIUFAN]

Just now, Thorny said:

Dude there’s no hope - I think we have to realize this. If the team can be this blatantly bad and insulting to its fans and still get people refusing to call it out I think it’s a lost cost 

Sadly, you are probably correct.  

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, Flashsabre said:

He puts himself in positions where he has no leverage. And he’s not smart enough to execute anything.

Explain to me going into year 6 what he has done to set this team up to succeed?

Leverage to do what? Trade Byram? Play Byram? Sign him again in two years?

[GASabresIUFAN]

Just now, pi2000 said:

Still think he gets traded.

He won't get the opportunity he deserves with Dahlin and Power anchoring the power play units.

In my opinion, he should be ahead of Power on the second unit.

He is a better all around player than Power with nearly identical offense.

[Porous Five Hole]

1 minute ago, Thorny said:

No team is trading for him now. There’s no trade coming 

Honestly, that’s ok. 
 

Defense

Dahlin-Byram

Power-Kesselring

Timmons-Samuelsson

To me, that trims the goals against by 30ish compared to last year to cover for Peterka and his poor D and not much PP production.  Plus Bo & OP should continue to ascend in ability.  
 

Bo & Dahls were elite together last year. No argument there.   Kess and Power should be better because it is OP’s best partner to date.  Sammy at third pair minutes is a better fit than his previous top four role.  Protected minutes could keep him healthier and more productive.

I still want a top six forward, but the D core is better with Bo here. 
 

Our GM still sucks, but I think this is best case with Bo here at this point and if we blow next year…he can be traded with a year to go for the new team. Cost controlled next year is OK. 

[Thorny]

1 minute ago, pi2000 said:

Still think he gets traded.

He won't get the opportunity he deserves with Dahlin and Power anchoring the power play units.

In my opinion, he should be ahead of Power on the second unit.

So his value will go up when he fails to get opportunity? Just curious 

[Taro T]

Just now, pi2000 said:

Still think he gets traded.

He won't get the opportunity he deserves with Dahlin and Power anchoring the power play units.

In my opinion, he should be ahead of Power on the second unit.

If they didn't have a weenie running the PP, they'd be giving Byram time on the top unit along WITH Dahlin.  They're only running 1 true set up man on the PP running 1-4.  Go to 2-3 and you add another one.

BUT they have a weenie running the PP, so no, Byram will either be on a 2D 2nd unit like he often was last year or not on one at all.

[pi2000]

1 minute ago, Thorny said:

So his value will go up when he fails to get opportunity? Just curious 

His value goes up now that his contract is a known commodity.

[thewookie1]

4 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Dude there’s no hope - I think we have to realize this. If the team can be this blatantly bad and insulting to its fans and still get people refusing to call it out I think it’s a lost cause

Because of course; the only way to be angry with your favorite team is to feel utterly hopeless, say they deserve to lose all their great players and complain when anyone wants to do anything but that.

[Thorny]

Just now, Porous Five Hole said:

Honestly, that’s ok. 
 

Defense

Dahlin-Byram

Power-Kesselring

Timmons-Samuelsson

To me, that trims the goals against by 30ish compared to last year to cover for Peterka and his poor D and not much PP production.  Plus Bo & OP should continue to ascend in ability.  
 

Bo & Dahls were elite together last year. No argument there.   Kess and Power should be better because it is OP’s best partner to date.  Sammy at third pair minutes is a better fit than his previous top four role.  Protected minutes could keep him healthier and more productive.

I still want a top six forward, but the D core is better with Bo here. 
 

Our GM still sucks, but I think this is best case with Bo here at this point and if we blow next year…he can be traded with a year to go for the new team. Cost controlled next year is OK. 

Ya, next year. He’s not getting traded this summer.

D is improved. I do not think adding Kesselring trims the D by THIRTY GOALS, no. Not 30.

Peterka was one of our best PP players relatively - it’s just that our entire PP was bad. He’d have been the first to benefit if we actually, you know, changed the pp coaches 

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Not really trying to have an argument - if you want to argue Kesselring for Peterka is a wash: fine. That’s fine. So Adams made a lateral move he only made BECAUSE jj asked for a deal. Ok. So we are the same.
 

We…sat in last almost the whole year and haven’t made the playoffs in 14 years 

There’s..no plan for improvement? If JJ doesn’t ask out we just…do nothing? 

we haven’t done anything 

[GASabresIUFAN]

2 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:

To me, that trims the goals against by 30ish compared to last year to cover for Peterka and his poor D and not much PP production.  Plus Bo & OP should continue to ascend in ability.  

Do you honestly feel that the additions of Kesselring and Timmins as replacements for Joki and Clifton will make our defense nearly 4/10th of a goal a game better next season?  

[Porous Five Hole]

Just now, GASabresIUFAN said:

Do you honestly feel that the additions of Kesselring and Timmins as replacements for Joki and Clifton will make our defense nearly 4/10th of a goal a game better next season?  

Yes, Kess’s trajectory can be elite. This team is going to have to be better than everyone else by being better at the blue line than everyone else.  It’s just the way that it is when you draft #1 overall at the blue line twice. Hope is a ***** strategy, but I hope the blue line takes a huge step forward. It’s the most logical path toward this team being elite. And no credit to KA if and when that happens. 

[SABRES 0311]

Dahlin Byram

Power Kesselring

Timmins Muel

Johnson

Unless this defense goes sideways, no excuse for UPL having a bad SV%.

[Porous Five Hole]

4 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Ya, next year. He’s not getting traded this summer.

D is improved. I do not think adding Kesselring trims the D by THIRTY GOALS, no. Not 30.

Peterka was one of our best PP players relatively - it’s just that our entire PP was bad. He’d have been the first to benefit if we actually, you know, changed the pp coaches 

- - - 

Not really trying to have an argument - if you want to argue Kesselring for Peterka is a wash: fine. That’s fine. So Adams made a lateral move he only made BECAUSE jj asked for a deal. Ok. So we are the same.
 

We…sat in last almost the whole year and haven’t made the playoffs in 14 years 

There’s..no plan for improvement? If JJ doesn’t ask out we just…do nothing? 

we haven’t done anything 

I cannot refute anything you said. A lateral move is not an obvious improvement to the team.  Osmosis is a ***** strategy, but that’s the best I can hope for with our awful GM. He did not improve us overall.  

[Thorny]

7 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Do you honestly feel that the additions of Kesselring and Timmins as replacements for Joki and Clifton will make our defense nearly 4/10th of a goal a game better next season?  

30 goals better, after accounting for Peterka subtraction 

so Kesselring is worth like…..65 goals on his own 

Phil Kesselring with a cheeseburger on the line… maybe 

Edited 5 hours ago by Thorny

[Taro T]

Just now, Porous Five Hole said:

Yes, Kess’s trajectory can be elite. This team is going to have to be better than everyone else by being better at the blue line than everyone else.  It’s just the way that it is when you draft #1 overall at the blue line twice. Hope is a ***** strategy, but I hope the blue line takes a huge step forward. It’s the most logical path toward this team being elite. And no credit to KA if and when that happens. 

Had they punted Wilford, would not only hope the D will be better with the changes, but would actually expect it.  (Now, would those changes be enough to materially alter their results, no data, but it would legitimately be in the realm of possibilities.)

As it is, with keeping Wilford, it is likely too little to materially make this a truly good D.  So truly despise watching the D stand around unengaged in front of the goalie; but that isn't as bad has having both of them go behind the net to try to prevent the pass to the now wide open slotman.