Byram has packed up his house and will be moved: After the Whistle

[French Collection]

4 hours ago, Jorcus said:

I would add Kracken, Jackets and Bruins to that list. Push come to shove we don't want the picks we want a player so a trade better be in the works. 

Werenski and McAvoy would be ahead of him for PP1 on two of those teams. Montour and Dunn could be bumped in Seattle.

Edited yesterday at 04:29 PM by French Collection

[Jorcus]

Just now, French Collection said:

We’re ski and McAvoy would be ahead of him for PP1 on two of those teams. Montour and Dunn could be bumped in Seattle.

The funny thing about the power play situation is I never saw a reason why he could not have played with Dahlin on power play 1 here. He is a better passer than most of the forwards we have.

[French Collection]

3 hours ago, Jorcus said:

The funny thing about the power play situation is I never saw a reason why he could not have played with Dahlin on power play 1 here. He is a better passer than most of the forwards we have.

Power would get his nose out of joint at getting passed by.

I wouldn’t be upset to see that as an option, Byram can shoot decently too. I think that ship has sailed.

[dudacek]

14 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

If any of Philly, San Jose, Chicago, Nashville, or Pitt is foolish enough to offer sheet Byram with the value of a 2026 1st, you take the pick in a heartbeat. Byram is not turning any of those franchises into a playoff team. Or, you ideally trade before the draft, or you match and then trade the known contract -- but then you'd better have him on the top pair with Dahlin to increase his value as much as possible.

I think with most of those teams you’d be talking trades, not offer sheets.

I think the Filip Hronek trade (1st and 2nd in the mid teens) is a good comparable for Byram’s value in terms of picks. And really in terms of contract as well, once you add in capflation.

5 minutes ago, French Collection said:

If Rasmus Andersson had more than 1 year until UFA status, I would like to see him as a RHD coming back. He would fit the bill as a top 4.

This is the type of deal I see the Sabres chasing, either directly, or in 2 parts (like Mitts/Savoie for Byram/McLeod).

They will bring in a more defensively oriented, slightly cheaper guy ready to play in the top 4 and kill penalties).

It might not be a vet, more of a McLeod type. Think Braden Schneider.

 

[DarthEbriate]

11 minutes ago, Jorcus said:

I would add Kracken, Jackets and Bruins to that list. Push come to shove we don't want the picks we want a player so a trade better be in the works. 

Kraken are already paying Dunn/Montour long-term to be their PP guys and have Larsson as the steady D-zone leader. Not sure they work.

Bruins will have McAvoy/Lindholm/Zadorov which could be a fit as Zads can play on the right side and would seem to be a good fit for Byram. This would be interesting.

CBJ has the space and Provorov and Fabbro are UFAs. I doubt they let both go. Fabbro was their Hronek to Werenski's Quinn last season. They also have Mateychuk ready to make the jump next season. I'm not sure they'll be keen to pay the price.

[inkman]

1 minute ago, dudacek said:

I think with most of those teams you’d be talking trades, not offer sheets.

I think the Filip Hronek trade (1st and 2nd in the mid teens) is a good comparable for Byram’s value in terms of picks. And really in terms of contract as well, once you add in capflation.

This is the type of deal I see the Sabres chasing, either directly, or in 2 parts (like Mitts/Savoie for Byram/McLeod).

They will bring in a more defensively oriented, slightly cheaper guy ready to play in the top 4 and kill penalties).

It might not be a vet, more of a McLeod type. Think Braden Schneider.

 

None of this will happen. It’s fun to talk about I guess.  For some folks. 

8 minutes ago, French Collection said:

Power would get his nose out of joint at getting passed by.

Based on what?  I’ve heard that dude say exactly six words. 

[DarthEbriate]

5 minutes ago, dudacek said:

I think with most of those teams you’d be talking trades, not offer sheets.

I think the Filip Hronek trade (1st and 2nd in the mid teens) is a good comparable for Byram’s value in terms of picks. And really in terms of contract as well, once you add in capflation.

This is the type of deal I see the Sabres chasing, either directly, or in 2 parts (like Mitts/Savoie for Byram/McLeod).

They will bring in a more defensively oriented, slightly cheaper guy ready to play in the top 4 and kill penalties).

It might not be a vet, more of a McLeod type. Think Braden Schneider.

As I said, if they do an offer sheet, they're silly. They should be trying to fleece Adams on a trade for a piece that "doesn't want to be here" without sacrificing their 2026 1st and a ticket for McKenna. Build it with a lottery-protected 2027 1st instead, etc. 

(Or, build it around a roster player whose loss helps them in a tank effort for said McKenna. If any of them want to play that game.)

Edited yesterday at 04:47 PM by DarthEbriate

[French Collection]

4 hours ago, inkman said:

Based on what?  I’ve heard that dude say exactly six words. 

I don’t give two s***s about Power’s feelings, I meant to say KA would be upset that his prize pick becomes #3.

Power has a looooong way to go to get into my good books.

[dudacek]

10 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

Kraken are already paying Dunn/Montour long-term to be their PP guys and have Larsson as the steady D-zone leader. Not sure they work.

Bruins will have McAvoy/Lindholm/Zadorov which could be a fit as Zads can play on the right side and would seem to be a good fit for Byram. This would be interesting.

CBJ has the space and Provorov and Fabbro are UFAs. I doubt they let both go. Fabbro was their Hronek to Werenski's Quinn last season. They also have Mateychuk ready to make the jump next season. I'm not sure they'll be keen to pay the price.

See if I’m Boston, I look at a trade built around Byram for Lindholm given where the team is in terms of age and cycle. Don’t know that the Bruins will be looking to rebuild though, more likely reload.

 

10 minutes ago, inkman said:

None of this will happen. It’s fun to talk about I guess.  For some folks. 

I’m confused. You dont think he’s getting traded?

Edited yesterday at 04:53 PM by dudacek

[inkman]

12 minutes ago, dudacek said:

See if I’m Boston, I look at a trade built around Byram for Lindholm given where the team is in terms of age and cycle. Don’t know that the Bruins will be looking to rebuild though, more likely reload.

 

I’m confused. You dont think he’s getting traded?

Whatever the smart thing is to do with him, the Sabres will do the opposite.  

[thewookie1]

5 hours ago, dudacek said:

I think with most of those teams you’d be talking trades, not offer sheets.

I think the Filip Hronek trade (1st and 2nd in the mid teens) is a good comparable for Byram’s value in terms of picks. And really in terms of contract as well, once you add in capflation.

This is the type of deal I see the Sabres chasing, either directly, or in 2 parts (like Mitts/Savoie for Byram/McLeod).

They will bring in a more defensively oriented, slightly cheaper guy ready to play in the top 4 and kill penalties).

It might not be a vet, more of a McLeod type. Think Braden Schneider.

 

Schneider isn't good and I have no desire to help an Eastern team get better

[JohnC]

6 hours ago, Jorcus said:

The funny thing about the power play situation is I never saw a reason why he could not have played with Dahlin on power play 1 here. He is a better passer than most of the forwards we have.

Dullard coaches are not capable of creative thinking. The Sabres' motto is if it doesn't work, continue doing what you are doing. 

[Flashsabre]

1 hour ago, thewookie1 said:

Schneider isn't good and I have no desire to help an Eastern team get better

Based on what? I’d take Braeden Schneider in a heartbeat.

Schneider, Gavrikov, Kesserling, Vlasic from the Hawks. These are the type of dmen the Sabres desperately need in their lineup.

[mjd1001]

7 hours ago, Jorcus said:

The funny thing about the power play situation is I never saw a reason why he could not have played with Dahlin on power play 1 here. He is a better passer than most of the forwards we have.

Agreed.  

Someone decided a decade or two ago that a PP HAD to have 4 forwards on it, and now its just standard thinking.

[thewookie1]

3 hours ago, Flashsabre said:

Based on what? I’d take Braeden Schneider in a heartbeat.

Schneider, Gavrikov, Kesserling, Vlasic from the Hawks. These are the type of dmen the Sabres desperately need in their lineup.

Whats his analytics then

[PerreaultForever]

11 hours ago, Jorcus said:

I would add Kracken, Jackets and Bruins to that list. Push come to shove we don't want the picks we want a player so a trade better be in the works. 

Kraken maybe but I can't see the Bruins being interested. They're more likely to sign Jokiharju than to go after Byram. Certainly not if they have to give up a first. 

Their D is most likely Lindholm-McAvoy, Zadorov-Jokiharju, Lohrei-Peeke along with some depth guys they already have.

You might be able to get the Bruins to gamble on Quinn, they need scoring forwards with skill. 

Also don't think Philly would offer up their 1st. They got Drysdale in that Gauthier deal and they have young D coming I think. Might be wrong on that. 

[thewookie1]

31 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Kraken maybe but I can't see the Bruins being interested. They're more likely to sign Jokiharju than to go after Byram. Certainly not if they have to give up a first. 

Their D is most likely Lindholm-McAvoy, Zadorov-Jokiharju, Lohrei-Peeke along with some depth guys they already have.

You might be able to get the Bruins to gamble on Quinn, they need scoring forwards with skill. 

Also don't think Philly would offer up their 1st. They got Drysdale in that Gauthier deal and they have young D coming I think. Might be wrong on that. 

Insider info:

Jokiharju is expecting to sign with Boston according to the guy who literally moved him to Boston last week. The mover plays on my one softball team

[thewookie1]

The hope with Byram would be some team gets stupid and offersheets him with a 1st round pick level of compensation. Most of the teams that could do that are middling to fellow basement dwellers meaning we’d have another mid to early 1st potentially. Even better you could then use a conditional 2026 1st (the lower of the two) to get someone this off-season. 

[PerreaultForever]

2 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

Insider info:

Jokiharju is expecting to sign with Boston according to the guy who literally moved him to Boston last week. The mover plays on my one softball team

Wouldn't surprise me. They were pretty happy with the Zadorov-Jokiharju pairing which seemed to work for some reason (I suppose it's the old playmaker with thumper/defender idea for a proper pairing). Zadorov had his best games of the year after Jokiharju showed up and with McAvoy and Lindholm out that was the top pairing. 

[Pimlach]

9 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

The hope with Byram would be some team gets stupid and offersheets him with a 1st round pick level of compensation. Most of the teams that could do that are middling to fellow basement dwellers meaning we’d have another mid to early 1st potentially. Even better you could then use a conditional 2026 1st (the lower of the two) to get someone this off-season. 

Sure.  But Adams then has to replace Byram with an NHL player, a RHD with a defense-first style.  It’s been a big need to way to long.  

7 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Wouldn't surprise me. They were pretty happy with the Zadorov-Jokiharju pairing which seemed to work for some reason (I suppose it's the old playmaker with thumper/defender idea for a proper pairing). Zadorov had his best games of the year after Jokiharju showed up and with McAvoy and Lindholm out that was the top pairing. 

It’s a pairing that makes sense.  Each player has strengths and flaws but they are complimentary.  

[JP51]

7 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Wouldn't surprise me. They were pretty happy with the Zadorov-Jokiharju pairing which seemed to work for some reason (I suppose it's the old playmaker with thumper/defender idea for a proper pairing). Zadorov had his best games of the year after Jokiharju showed up and with McAvoy and Lindholm out that was the top pairing. 

I would love to get Zadorov back i hated we traded him but alas... he is too physical and his pirroutes are horrible so no chance

[DarthEbriate]

8 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Wouldn't surprise me. They were pretty happy with the Zadorov-Jokiharju pairing which seemed to work for some reason (I suppose it's the old playmaker with thumper/defender idea for a proper pairing). Zadorov had his best games of the year after Jokiharju showed up and with McAvoy and Lindholm out that was the top pairing. 

Joker played 18 games with the Bruins and had the highest average time on ice while he was in their lineup. The Bruins went 5-13 including losses of 3 or more goals in 8 of those games. Somehow, Jokiharju finished a +7 during that span with only 4 points scored. Zadorov was a gaudy +13 with his new D-partner. If they do reunite next year, they'll be a solid second pair.

Other high-minutes Bruins in that time:

Pastrnak +3 (responsible for all scoring)
Geekie 0 
Zacha -9
...
...
Mittelstadt -17
Lohrei -25

[PerreaultForever]

5 hours ago, Pimlach said:

Sure.  But Adams then has to replace Byram with an NHL player, a RHD with a defense-first style.  It’s been a big need to way to long.  

It’s a pairing that makes sense.  Each player has strengths and flaws but they are complimentary.  

Which is also kind of the problem with Byram isn't it? He's not a complimentary piece to Dahlin or Power, he's a similar piece. As was Jokiharju (although a lesser version). We need the Braydon McNabb, Jake McCabe types that we didn't keep around. Even Borgen was more of a complimentary piece, although again lesser in his case. 

I suppose they thought that was Samuelsson, but he's not, and they messed up Risto and there was all that, but we definitely need some solid D and RHD would be best.

[PerreaultForever]

3 hours ago, DarthEbriate said:

Joker played 18 games with the Bruins and had the highest average time on ice while he was in their lineup. The Bruins went 5-13 including losses of 3 or more goals in 8 of those games. Somehow, Jokiharju finished a +7 during that span with only 4 points scored. Zadorov was a gaudy +13 with his new D-partner. If they do reunite next year, they'll be a solid second pair.

Other high-minutes Bruins in that time:

Pastrnak +3 (responsible for all scoring)
Geekie 0 
Zacha -9
...
...
Mittelstadt -17
Lohrei -25

Yes indeed, Mitts was not good and Lohrei couldn't handle the ice time or pressure and completely fell apart. Minten looked promising. Got him from the Leafs in the Carlo deal. Remember that name. I think he will be quite good. 

[DarthEbriate]

21 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Yes indeed, Mitts was not good and Lohrei couldn't handle the ice time or pressure and completely fell apart. Minten looked promising. Got him from the Leafs in the Carlo deal. Remember that name. I think he will be quite good. 

It was another thread in here where I listed out what has to happen for Boston to turn it around very quickly. I wrote out a bullet about Minten making the jump he’s capable of to a nasty 2/3C. 3 who can jump to 2. But then I looked at his numbers and figured he just doesn’t have the offenee. However, if he does do that…. Dang. I do like the player a bunch.