rakish Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 Rhett Rhinehart, 5th round? 6th round? Is he available to be drafted, EliteProspects doesn't say he is, doesn't say he isn't. 3 and a half minutes on Rhett Rhinehart 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 Matic Torok 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LGR4GM Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 Im just realizing how often Owen Power is listed here^ it is not often at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 I really tried and thought about Edvinsson in the top 20 and even top 15 but I couldn't do it. The skill is there and it exists but I am a firm believer that guys who don't process the game at a high end cannot learn to do it. You are either already plotting your next move instinctually or you simply are wired to think that way. Edvinsson for me is going to fall in the 21-25 range and I don't feel bad about it. I would rather take Zellweger who is 6 inches shorter than take Edvinsson who I don't think will ever really put it all together mentally to make his package work. I don't want a defender that is 1/3 great. 1/3 atrocious. and 1/3 average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) https://www.tsn.ca/craig-button-list-owen-power-nhl-draft-1.1666944 Button’s latest list. Guenther has fallen to 9th, Svechkov has rocketed up to the top 10. Edited July 12, 2021 by Flashsabre 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 If we select Rhett Rhinehart everyone will misspell his name "Reinhart" and we'll have come full circle 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 7 hours ago, LGR4GM said: Fun fact, there is a certain forward who appears on 3 of the 4 lists and doesn't on the 4th list because it is only 3 players long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 7 hours ago, LGR4GM said: Im just realizing how often Owen Power is listed here^ it is not often at all. Who cares? Not sure what, if anything, it has to do with being a good defenseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 17 minutes ago, SwampD said: Who cares? Not sure what, if anything, it has to do with being a good defenseman. What does skating, puck handling or hockey IQ have to do with being a good defenseman? If you think that the answer is “Nothing”, I don’t trust your player analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 Just now, Curt said: What does skating, puck handling or hockey IQ have to do with being a good defenseman? If you think that the answer is “Nothing”, I don’t trust your player analysis. Thankfully Power has been commended for his skating and hockey IQ on a consistent basis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hoss said: Thankfully Power has been commended for his skating and hockey IQ on a consistent basis. Didn’t say that he hasn’t. I was just surprised to see someone doubt that those things relate to being a good defenseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, Hoss said: Thankfully Power has been commended for his skating and hockey IQ on a consistent basis. His forwards skating is good. His backwards skating needs work 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 minute ago, LGR4GM said: His forwards skating is good. His backwards skating needs work Coach him up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Hoss said: Coach him up. Of course, and all these guys need work in multiple areas, but needing to be “coached up” in an area is a negative mark against a prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Curt said: What does skating, puck handling or hockey IQ have to do with being a good defenseman? If you think that the answer is “Nothing”, I don’t trust your player analysis. Oh, brother. Yes, that's what I'm saying. When compared to doodlebug forwards, no D is ever going to crack that list (as I can't see the article, I don't know if any did.) How many times would Chara or Hedman make a list of puck handling skaters. Edited July 12, 2021 by SwampD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, Curt said: Of course, and all these guys need work in multiple areas, but needing to be “coached up” in an area is a negative mark against a prospect. Kinda my issue is the number of areas power needs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 I am very curious to see who Buffalo will draft. A segment of people will be upset with whoever the pick is. This is the first time that there is legitimate doubt and debate about who should and will be picked at #1 or #2. I would encourage everyone to remain calm and civil. Our battle isn’t with each other. None of us has any control over the situation, and it’s ok to disagree. Please don’t call each other names for having a different opinion about which teenage hockey player will grow up to be the best player. It’s a rather silly thing to get seriously upset about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, SwampD said: Oh, brother. Yes, that's what I'm saying. When compared to doodlebug forwards, no D is ever going to crack that list (as I can't see the article, I don't know if any did.) How many times would Chara or Hedman make a list of puck handling skaters. Ok. I disagree with you. Stickhandling, yes, not many D will be cracking that list, though it’s still an important thing for defensemen. However, skating and hockey IQ are extremely important qualities for a defenseman, and areas where they should be able to equal their forward counterparts. I can’t see the list either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Curt said: Ok. I disagree with you. Stickhandling, yes, not many D will be cracking that list, though it’s still an important thing for defensemen. However, skating and hockey IQ are extremely important qualities for a defenseman, and areas where they should be able to equal their forward counterparts. I can’t see the list either. Hockey IQ, obviously, but,... Risto is a good skater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, SwampD said: Hockey IQ, obviously, but,... Risto is a good skater. Skating is a very important quality for a defenseman. I’m surprised that you don’t think so. Yes, Risto is a good skater, especially for his size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) Holy ***** we're arguing over if skating matters? 34 minutes ago, Hoss said: Coach him up. You're awfully defensive Edited July 12, 2021 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Holy ***** we're arguing over if skating matters? I’m as surprised as anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, Curt said: Skating is a very important quality for a defenseman. I’m surprised that you don’t think so. Yes, Risto is a good skater, especially for his size. I'm not arguing if I think it is important. I'm arguing that I people rank these things very differently, especially when it comes to defensmen and bigger skaters. They don't make lists and doodlebugs do. Remember, it was Skinner and Goodrow in the AS skills final. I wouldn't want either one playing D. 4 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Holy ***** we're arguing over if skating matters? You're awfully defensive Settle down. See what having an agenda leads to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 36 minutes ago, Curt said: I am very curious to see who Buffalo will draft. A segment of people will be upset with whoever the pick is. This is the first time that there is legitimate doubt and debate about who should and will be picked at #1 or #2. I would encourage everyone to remain calm and civil. Our battle isn’t with each other. None of us has any control over the situation, and it’s ok to disagree. Please don’t call each other names for having a different opinion about which teenage hockey player will grow up to be the best player. It’s a rather silly thing to get seriously upset about. I disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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