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55 minutes ago, WildCard said:

Just play the players that are better, it's that easy

Except it's not.  Context matters. As does complimentary roles for the gameplan.

Last night worked. 

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We have no idea how RK will handle ice time right now.  For all we know, this game was the outlier.  All I'm willing to consider, right now, is that I expect not to see the simplistic approach to minutes we would get from so many other coaches.  The outside-the-box approach is one of the reasons RK was hired.

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Best a team structure and discipline established . Each doing their jobs . The Sabres skill players will get their time, but team concept first must be established. Last night was perfect 

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25 minutes ago, millbank said:

Best a team structure and discipline established . Each doing their jobs . The Sabres skill players will get their time, but team concept first must be established. Last night was perfect 

You're back!

Good to see you again Millbank.

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Anyone concerned about ice time in that very telling game either didn't see it or doesn't fully appreciate what was accomplished.  We appear to have a well coached, dedicated team for the first time in eons.  The fresh air should be enjoyed as it's finally accessible. 

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41 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

Anyone concerned about ice time in that very telling game either didn't see it or doesn't fully appreciate what was accomplished.  We appear to have a well coached, dedicated team for the first time in eons.  The fresh air should be enjoyed as it's finally accessible. 

I don't think most of us aren't appreciating the win or what we saw...but this is a discussion forum..and talking about ice time can lead to a very good discussion:  1. Maybe not after one game but the trend of who is getting ice time and who isn't...tells a lot about what the coaching staff things of players and how much they trust them in each sitiation....2. A very heavy workload for a young player, a player not used to it...or a player that struggles with frequent injuries can be something to keep an eye on down the road.

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4 hours ago, WildCard said:

In what way has Dahlin not earned ice time over McCabe? In what way has Rodrigues not earned ice time over Sobotka?

The whole "earn it" thing is so annoying and old school. Just play the players that are better, it's that easy

Because they haven't played well, this season, in front of the current coach. When the best players aren't playing well they aren't the best players any more, they are just the players with the best reputations.  There is an easy remedy. Play better.  McCabe got 6 minutes that Dahlin didn't on the PK alone. You fancy yourself as our top defenseman? Then you need to be better our own end so we can have you on the PK as well as the PP as well as 5v5.  Until then, we have players who do it better than you do right now. This is your role. If you want a bigger one, show me how I can give it to you.

Ice time is just about the only thing a modern coach has to dangle in front of players. If you aren't willing to take away ice time from certain players when they aren't performing then you end up with what we had which is a crap ton of passengers.  The talent on this team has been passable for a while.  The output has been unacceptable.  Good individual seasons from plenty of people, garbage results for the team. You want guys to be hungry and if that's old school so be it. It works.  Ralph just came from EPL soccer. Everyone makes huge dollars, there are players pulling in big dollars who never see the pitch.  You want to be in the starting XI? You need to earn it every day because if you don't someone else who is just as talented will be willing to work for it and will take your spot and you might not get it back.

You could take the tack, what has he done to earn it?  Well, that argument doesn't necessarily work. He's an 11 year NHL veteran who, for the vast majority of his career, has good Corsi and Fenwick numbers. You don't play in the league for 11 years by being terrible.  Now, he had an unquestionably terrible year last year. Even with that terrible year, his career Fenwick and Corsi are still better than Rodrigues' so it's not completely ridiculous to suggest that Sobotka is capable of playing significantly better than he did last year. (I'm using those 2 fancystats because I have quick access). Time will bear out whether or not Sobotka's play and numbers improve.  If they don't then I suspect you won't continue seeing him in the lineup. 

I'm sure there are plenty of players who want more ice.  I'm sure Mitts would like more than 8 minutes too.  Earn it.  Mitts is a helluva lot more talented than Evan Rodrigues so simply based on being "the best player" he should be getting more ice than that. I'm glad he didn't get it and I hope RK waits to see at least a couple games of consistency before he starts giving away ice time cookies and as soon as the consistency stops the cookies need to stop coming also.

Ultimately, players all want to play. If you can have a group of people who are willing to do whatever it takes to win every single day then you will be more successful than your "talent" says you should be. 

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Has to be about team. Showing belief in guys. Trusting . All will get their minutes. Last night four lines played their part. Team not entitled stars 

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17 hours ago, Randall Flagg said:

I could honestly buy into Dahlin being sheltered a bit. I wouldn't make him last in ice time or anything, but let's see what fine-tuning Ralph has in store for him. Surely Ralph noticed the propensity for hand grenades last year.

Ok well, his pair WAS last. Hope that changes. 

6 hours ago, inkman said:

Who made terrible glaring mistakes game in and game out.  Me thinks RaKru is putting Rasmus in the best position to succeed. Let's give it time and see where it goes. 

Ok! Like I said, net neutral! 

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After this season I hope Botterill and Krueger can convince Dahlin to sign for a nice extension in the $2.85 mil per range to match McCabe’s. No D on this team should have an AAV more than our best defender.

Don’t see why we’d want to pay more for a player who sees the ice less than Sobotka, anyways. 

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21 hours ago, WildCard said:

16m for Dahlin and 25 for McCabe is asinine 

Except for the fact Dahlin scored, McCabe was the best player on the ice and we won. Yes, definitely asinine. 

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25 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Except for the fact Dahlin scored, McCabe was the best player on the ice and we won. Yes, definitely asinine. 

Things are literally trending towards the point where, if we win, nothing may be criticized. 

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2 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Things are literally trending towards the point where, if we win, nothing may be criticized. 

I’ll have the discussion if he used the word “interesting” or “curious”. To use the word “asinine” is, well, asinine.

 

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And not fer nothing, with all the PK time, do we really want are 20 yo defensive face of the franchise out there taking bombs from the point for an extra 6 minutes in game freakin one?!

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8 minutes ago, SwampD said:

I’ll have the discussion if he used the word “interesting” or “curious”. To use the word “asinine” is, well, asinine.

 

Ya, you’re probably right on that.

I just kinda see what @WildCard is saying and am uneasonably touchy due to @inkman letting me know (correctly I’m sure) why every one of my posts is wrong today 😆

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5 hours ago, Thorny said:

Things are literally trending towards the point where, if we win, nothing may be criticized. 

I think it's fair to question why Dahlin got less ice time than McCabe, but when McCabe turns that ice team into a star performance you kind of have to step back and think maybe Kreuger knows more than we do. For hypothetical example, maybe he is really good at reading people and he saw that McCabe was in the zone that night. maybe Dahlin wasn't. Let's maybe wait on some real trends or a body of work before saying things like asinine. If it worked, something in it has to have been right. 

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15 hours ago, Thorny said:

Things are literally trending towards the point where, if we win, nothing may be criticized. 

I’m here to tell you that if they win every game, they shouldn’t be. 😈

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On 10/4/2019 at 8:27 PM, SwampD said:

And not fer nothing, with all the PK time, do we really want are 20 yo defensive face of the franchise out there taking bombs from the point for an extra 6 minutes in game freakin one?!

He is only 19, all season long!  Mind blown!

EDIT:  just saw that you saw it on your own.  Good Lord indeed.

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