TrueBlueGED Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 From Elliotte Friedman If Sabres go to 3 years; expect them to sign Hutton The thought of signing Hutton to 3 years is nauseating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 The thought of signing Hutton to 3 years is nauseating. Kill me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 I mean, what else is there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Relax, he'll be a fine backup to our all star goalie Ullmark for 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 I mean, what else is there? Signing an equally mediocre goalie to not 3 years? I'm fine with a goalie for 3 years to solidify the position, but Hutton doesn't do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 The thought of signing Hutton to 3 years is nauseating. He'll be a nice backup :thumbsup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) Signing an equally mediocre goalie to not 3 years? I'm fine with a goalie for 3 years to solidify the position, but Hutton doesn't do that. Well that's what I'm asking. Seriously, what other option is there than Hutton? The FA goalie market is absolutely garbage. Seems the only way to get a decent goaltender these days is to either draft your own or trade for someone's backup. So, where are the backups we usually hear about this time of year? Edited June 28, 2018 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Well that's what I'm asking. Seriously, what other option is there than Hutton? Bernier. Mrazek. Joe Blow. Who cares? Signing a mediocrity like Hutton to 3 years is lunacy. He could as easily post a .906 next year (see: below replacement level) as a be league average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) Bernier. Mrazek. Joe Blow. Who cares? Signing a mediocrity like Hutton to 3 years is lunacy. He could as easily post a .906 next year (see: below replacement level) as a be league average. Even for something like 3X2M? It's not like we don't have the cap space, and at $2M per we can easily just ditch him Edited June 28, 2018 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Even for something like 3X2M? It's not like we don't have the cap space, and at $2M per we can easily just ditch him I'm willing to bet it's closer to 3x$4M than 3x2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsb Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) Bernier. Mrazek. Joe Blow. Who cares? Signing a mediocrity like Hutton to 3 years is lunacy. He could as easily post a .906 next year (see: below replacement level) as a be league average. I'm going to start calling you Mikey, you hate everybody. :P You may have to be of a certain older age to get that but..... He splits time with Ullmark the first year, he's the backup the next 2. It's not like he's going to get an AAV of 5M. He'll be as good as anyone else on the market If he gets 4M, he's the flat out starter Edited June 28, 2018 by jsb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) I'm willing to bet it's closer to 3x$4M than 3x2. He was only at $1.125M last year. At $4M, I'd lost it Edited June 28, 2018 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 If we pay Carter Hutton $4mil I will burn this place to the ground Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 I'm going to start calling you Mikey, you hate everybody. :P You may have to be of a certain older age to get that but..... He splits time with Ullmark the first year, he's the backup the next 2. It's not like he's going to get an AAV of 5M. He'll be as good as anyone else on the market If he gets 4M, he's the flat out starter I do, but it's not like it isn't justified. The entire UFA goalie market sucks! There's no good reason to heavily invest in one mediocrity over another. We're going to sign feces, I've accepted that...but there's no reason to commit to it. Sign cheap feces! He was only at $1.125M last year. At $4M, I'd lost it Look at some of the comparable contracts unproven starters have signed recently. It's not going to be a bargain deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Look at some of the comparable contracts unproven starters have signed recently. It's not going to be a bargain deal. I mean I would but I don't even know where to start with on how to google that one :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 I mean I would but I don't even know where to start with on how to google that one :lol: Carolina gave Scott Darling a 4-year, $4.15M AAV contract after never starting more than 32 games. He was coming off a 32 start season with a .924 SV%. He started 43 games for Carolina, rocking an awesome .888 SV%. I'm too lazy to look up the rest, but you're looking at around $4M on average for would-be starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Carolina gave Scott Darling a 4-year, $4.15M AAV contract after never starting more than 32 games. He was coming off a 32 start season with a .924 SV%. He started 43 games for Carolina, rocking an awesome .888 SV%. I'm too lazy to look up the rest, but you're looking at around $4M on average for would-be starters. Him and Raanta are about all I can find to support this. Well maybe Grubbauer, he got $3.3M per http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/rankings/average/goaltender/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) Him and Raanta are about all I can find to support this. Well maybe Grubbauer, he got $3.3M per http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/rankings/average/goaltender/ Cam Talbot as well. Edit: If we got end up with Hutton, I'd bet it's around 3 years $3.5M. Little higher or lower wouldn't shock me, but it'll be well above what he's worth regardless. Keep in mind, we're bidding against other teams, not like we're buying RFA years here. Edited June 28, 2018 by TrueBlueGED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 If we pay Carter Hutton $4mil I will burn this place to the ground Just change your name to Milton first... so we know it's happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Just change your name to Milton first... so we know it's happening. Big grains of salt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbert11 Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 i don't think so, I'm thinking the opposite and we see a couple big moves to shake things up They have said they need to shake things up and I think we will see more then bandaids and just depth signings while they waste another year waiting for youth to develop. I'm not so sure they make big moves. Two of the biggest recent contracts were Kane and O'Reilly. Kane was traded and O'Reilly may be soon. Anybody know where they're at with salary cap for next season? Nick shore should be on this list. Is he related to Eddie Shore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbert11 Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Signing an equally mediocre goalie to not 3 years? I'm fine with a goalie for 3 years to solidify the position, but Hutton doesn't do that. Am I missing something with Hutton? 17-7-3, led the NHL IN GAA at 2.09, .931 SV%, 3 SO. Yes, it was a career year for him at age 32 but those are outstanding stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 I'm not so sure they make big moves. Two of the biggest recent contracts were Kane and O'Reilly. Kane was traded and O'Reilly may be soon. Anybody know where they're at with salary cap for next season? Is he related to Eddie Shore? Old time hockey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Am I missing something with Hutton? 17-7-3, led the NHL IN GAA at 2.09, .931 SV%, 3 SO. Yes, it was a career year for him at age 32 but those are outstanding stats. That's precisely the problem. His previous best was a .918 in 17 starts in 2015-16. His career average, including his career-best season, is .915. I'll dump his first season in the NHL where he had a whopping 1 start, but he's posted the following: .910, .902, .918, .913, .931. One of those is not like the others. If you're committing to him for 3 years at a decent salary, you're essentially projecting that the outlying year is the real Hutton. I find that highly unlikely. For reference, his career average would have put him at 21s in the league last season among qualified goalies. That's...not good. Bernier, meanwhile, has a career .914, and is drawing (as reported) considerably less interest. Mrazek has a career .911, and has almost no interest. If you think the real Hutton is a .931 guy, then by all means, commit. But that's a bad bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbert11 Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 That's precisely the problem. His previous best was a .918 in 17 starts in 2015-16. His career average, including his career-best season, is .915. I'll dump his first season in the NHL where he had a whopping 1 start, but he's posted the following: .910, .902, .918, .913, .931. One of those is not like the others. If you're committing to him for 3 years at a decent salary, you're essentially projecting that the outlying year is the real Hutton. I find that highly unlikely. For reference, his career average would have put him at 21s in the league last season among qualified goalies. That's...not good. Bernier, meanwhile, has a career .914, and is drawing (as reported) considerably less interest. Mrazek has a career .911, and has almost no interest. If you think the real Hutton is a .931 guy, then by all means, commit. But that's a bad bet. Yeah, seems like Mrazek would be a better bet. With the competition for goalies, how likely would the Sabres be able to sign one if they don't go for a 3 year deal? A team having the worst record in 3 of the last 5 seasons will have a hard time getting any free agents to sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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