MattPie Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 Yeah! How dare he make a save with his pad. He should catch those with his left hand. I'd love to know how that was supposed to happen considering the angle of the shot and save. I get the feeling the difference between the OK and the great GTs are the ones that are OK put that rebound where Lehner did, and the greats either "catch" the puck with their pad and can then trap it, or choose the angle of contact so the puck ends up in the corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 I'd love to know how that was supposed to happen considering the angle of the shot and save. If he's deep enough in his net like he's supposed to be he can do it. The problem is because he sucks he's constantly way too high in the crease playing angles and he can't react in time. If the puck doesn't hit him just right he's f*cked because he can't recover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 You’re as bad as the guys that blame Lehner after the 40-save 2-1 loss. I mean, Reimer did kick one out to the exact same spot moments earlier, and it was fine due to proper defensive positioning... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 I mean, Reimer did kick one out to the exact same spot moments earlier, and it was fine due to proper defensive positioning... Reimer is also bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 Reimer is also bad. Touché Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 I mean, Reimer did kick one out to the exact same spot moments earlier, and it was fine due to proper defensive positioning... Reimer's not particularly good either. Yes, he gets helped by better play in front of him, and fewer goals result. Just because Lehner's bad play gets exposed more, it doesn't absolve him of his bad play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) I mean, Reimer did kick one out to the exact same spot moments earlier, and it was fine due to proper defensive positioning... You’re not wrong. But our skaters have mostly played them straight up and our goalie let in four on 19. Make some saves. Reimer is also bad.And this Edited March 3, 2018 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tondas Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 Not sure if Antipin is on the team next year, but I think he's the best pure passer on the team. His passes are always tape-to-tape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 Saved by the bell... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 Beaulieu has to make a better offensive play after that pass from Sam. That was like...pond hockey garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 Caught the first period. Then I had to do some work. Then I checked in, mid-second. NOPE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 ...pond hockey garbage. Beaulieau’s game to a T. He has to be one of the passengers Botterill refers to. Pouliot is clearly another. Curious to see who else is on the hit list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 I get the feeling the difference between the OK and the great GTs are the ones that are OK put that rebound where Lehner did, and the greats either "catch" the puck with their pad and can then trap it, or choose the angle of contact so the puck ends up in the corner. Goaltenders don't "catch" the puck with their pads. That's not even a thing. Especially when you are reacting at point blank range. As hard as it might be to believe, defense plays a big role in how good your goalie plays, either by disrupting the play, limiting the window for the shooter, not leaving shooters alone opposite the play, and clearing out rebounds. What exactly is the role of the Sabres defense other than irony? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) As hard as it might be to believe, defense plays a big role in how good your goalie plays, either by disrupting the play, limiting the window for the shooter, not leaving shooters alone opposite the play, and clearing out rebounds. Yep. And when that breaks down, it’s the goalie’s role to come up with some saves. Lehner’s save to break down ratio at times this year has been excellent and he has been unfairly blasted anyway. Today the ratio is poor. Put aside your agenda and watch the game. Edited March 3, 2018 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted March 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 Scandella Out for the game per Vogl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 Scandella Out for the game per Vogl I guess this is when we lose all our D men again.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) Yep. And when that breaks down, it’s the goalie’s role to come up with some saves. Lehner’s save to break down ratio at times this year has been excellent and he has been unfairly blasted anyway. Today the ratio is poor. Put aside your agenda and watch the game. How many times a game is a goalie supposed to bail out his team? 5 times? 10? 20? When does the defense get some culpability? Edited March 3, 2018 by PromoTheRobot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 How many times a game is a goalie supposed to bail out his team? 5 times? 10? 20? When does the defense get some culpability? If I read your posts correctly, every single time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 How many times a game is a goalie supposed to bail out his team? 5 times? 10? 20? When does the defense get some culpability? Yes, the defense is bad. This does not mean that Lehner is somehow not also bad on this basis alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 Lehner is swimming out there. Zero control. It's a miracle Florida didn't score on the delay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 Thorny, have you forgiven Sam yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 Goaltenders don't "catch" the puck with their pads. That's not even a thing. Especially when you are reacting at point blank range. As hard as it might be to believe, defense plays a big role in how good your goalie plays, either by disrupting the play, limiting the window for the shooter, not leaving shooters alone opposite the play, and clearing out rebounds. What exactly is the role of the Sabres defense other than irony? Perhaps "catch" is the wrong word, but pucks seem to bounce off Lehner, where others the puck "sticks" to them. That's what I'm talking about. This is an interesting read: http://www.usahockeygoaltending.com/news_article/show/524951 One constant physical technique in all of these situations involves watching the puck into the equipment that is making the save. Goaltenders who “explode,” with arms flailing and head snapping back, often lose sight of the puck and, as a result, handicap themselves. They can’t follow where the rebound goes and are at a disadvantage to stop the next shot. Goaltenders who have difficulty controlling their upper body after a shot — they lose their balance — also are disadvantaged, as they wipe out and leave themselves vulnerable to follow-up shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 Anybody else's feed jumping around? I feel like the peyote is kicking in. Which is odd, since I haven't taken any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 Nelson and Antipin have done a good job connecting with the forwards. Baptiste seems to be getting shots. Some good cycling down low. PP has been awful. Some defensive coverage mistakes. No big saves. Game hasn’t been as bad as the score suggests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 It's almost like kicking out huge rebounds all the time is going to bite you. Taking the emphasis off Lehner for a moment, I’ll comment on the first shot. Far side, low. That’s a rebound generator by design. I dig that play. I agree with your assessment on Lehner, btw ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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