darksabre Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Messier is taking an advisory role with the Oilers. Would you rather have him than Patrick? Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Messier is taking an advisory role with the Oilers. Would you rather have him than Patrick? At what role?Playing on my team in their prime I say Messier As part of the front office making decisions? Probably Patrick cause he has the experience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assquatch Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Can someone who follows other teams more than I do give the Cliff's notes on Patrick's results/influence with Columbus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Messier is taking an advisory role with the Oilers. Would you rather have him than Patrick? I hope he advises them to trade Eberle to Buffalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) Can someone who follows other teams more than I do give the Cliff's notes on Patrick's results/influence with Columbus? Argh. I had a nice, lengthy post detailing his influence, but I tarded up for a second and closed the wrong tab. Super quick storyline: Pre-Craig Patrick, CBJ's front office blows on a historical level. Doug MacLean is committed to the retard academy 10 years too late. His replacement, Scott Howson, makes crappy, useless trades. His landmark deal is spending a fortune to bring in excommunicated Flyer Jeff Carter, who immediately sucks on a vagabond Columbus roster. Craig Patrick is hired in December 2011. Within one month, Howson makes a head-coaching change (to oust Scotty Arniel for Todd Richards, who's a better fit for an offensively-anemic roster). Within two months, Carter is shipped out for Jack Johnson and a 1st rounder. Johnson plays alright, despite injuries. Howson ships out Pahlsson, and packages the return from that trade with a 2nd rounder to trade for Bobrovsky, who plays his nuts off for Columbus. The Nash situation comes to a head, and Columbus collects, rebuilding their team with Dubinsky, Anisimov, Erixon, and a 1st rounder. Columbus jumps in the standings from finishing dead last in the West the previous year to finishing tied for 8th in the West. Howson's fired anyways. Cue the Herbie Hancock. Jarmo Kekalainen comes in and starts break dancing on the trade and draft floors, respectively. He makes six trades in three weeks, culminating in a trade for Marian Gaborik, and he executes the three first round picks that were collected. TL;DR: Craig Patrick un######ed the CBJ front office into something considerably less ######. Edited January 10, 2014 by IKnowPhysics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assquatch Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Oh, thank you so much for doing that, especially since you had to do it twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 The Panthers asked for public assistance, claiming they lose $20 mill a season. If that's true then there's even more reason to move them. A lot of these pro franchises fabricate these numbers for that very reason, though: to get public assistance. In most situations I would refuse to believe it, but when you look at their attendance then you don't doubt it. Move them to Seattle, the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 The Panthers asked for public assistance, claiming they lose $20 mill a season. If that's true then there's even more reason to move them. A lot of these pro franchises fabricate these numbers for that very reason, though: to get public assistance. In most situations I would refuse to believe it, but when you look at their attendance then you don't doubt it. Move them to Seattle, the end. If you read the article, the Panthers are making more on the arena through other event revenue then they are losing on the team so they aren't going anywhere. Its a classic corporate maneuver playing shell games with business revenues. When the Rigases owned the Sabres they had almost 50 separate entities actually running the team and the arena. My suite charges would go to Crossroads, LLC and that LLC would pay the team a small percentage for the tickets used so the team would be losing money but Crossroads was making up for it. In Florida's case, the team is the only entitiy showing a loss and they have their hand out to the State. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 If you read the article, the Panthers are making more on the arena through other event revenue then they are losing on the team so they aren't going anywhere. Its a classic corporate maneuver playing shell games with business revenues. When the Rigases owned the Sabres they had almost 50 separate entities actually running the team and the arena. My suite charges would go to Crossroads, LLC and that LLC would pay the team a small percentage for the tickets used so the team would be losing money but Crossroads was making up for it. In Florida's case, the team is the only entitiy showing a loss and they have their hand out to the State. Was going to mention how teams claim losses by hiding gains through sister companies, but I didn't really want to get that in depth. Just felt like putting out the report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 The Blues v Canucks game was awesome hockey. These two teams better meet in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 If you read the article, the Panthers are making more on the arena through other event revenue then they are losing on the team so they aren't going anywhere. Its a classic corporate maneuver playing shell games with business revenues. When the Rigases owned the Sabres they had almost 50 separate entities actually running the team and the arena. My suite charges would go to Crossroads, LLC and that LLC would pay the team a small percentage for the tickets used so the team would be losing money but Crossroads was making up for it. In Florida's case, the team is the only entitiy showing a loss and they have their hand out to the State. Thanks for pointing all this out. Stebb didn't believe me in the other thread. :P Another thing that isn't really mentioned is that many contracts haven't changed since the late 90's that were put into place between the county and Wayne Huizenga. This team isn't doing as poorly as the media portrays. Part of the reason it looks so bad on TV is the two sections behind the bench are rarely filled. Somebody ###### up royally when they came up with the idea of having this for the people who have tickets for those seats. http://www.clubred360.com/ http://www.clubred360.com/PhotoGallery.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 Thanks for pointing all this out. Stebb didn't believe me in the other thread. :P No. I do understand all of that and hinted at it in my original post. But either way the report has negative connotations for any players thinking about playing there. If they say they need more money for the public so they can put a good product on the ice then it's not a good sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assquatch Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) (Closest thread for this and not new-thread-worthy) Satan sighting at 5:50. If you look closely earlier in the video you'll see Afinogenov too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkvuWO4DG4g Edited January 12, 2014 by Assquatch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Oh my Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Oh my Love it. If that was Enroth it goes in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Love it. If that was Enroth it goes in. Good grief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Good grief. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Montreal-Chicago tonight was one of the most disappointing games I have watched in a long time. I was expecting two aggressive Cup contenders, and, instead, I saw two teams fumbling around, not skating hard AT ALL, and just generally going through the motions. I felt like I was watching the 1987 Sabres play themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Outside of our own players, who are the hot deadline names? Mike Cammalleri will be a good rental somewhere. Callahan, Del Zotto and Girardi in NY. Jonas Hiller. Hemsky. Who else? Non-rentals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) @hockeynight Updated: Claude Noel fired as head coach of Winnipeg #NHLJets http://fw.to/23iVgVC #hockeynight #CBCSports @Sportsnet The Winnipeg #Jets have fired coach Claude Noel and hired Paul Maurice as his replacement: http://ow.ly/svdF1 Edited January 12, 2014 by 26CornerBlitz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Figured the Jets would have made a deal to see if they could help Noel before making that move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Paul Maurice is a good hire. Never liked Claude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 From TBN's grab bag today: The USA Hockey Olympic staff unanimously chose Anaheim’s Cam Fowler over Columbus’ Jack Johnson at defense. The committee included Blue Jackets coach Todd Richards. Awkward. “When I needed the support and the belief I didn’t get it,” Johnson said, “so anything that’s said now is empty and meaningless.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 @DarrenDreger: Tuomo Ruutu's name has again surfaced as a trade target. Canes forward might draw some interest as teams approach the Olympic break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Figured the Jets would have made a deal to see if they could help Noel before making that move. Not shocked at all. Apparently they were hoping the Leafs fire Randy Carlyle as coach so they can bring him over. Carlyle played 10 seasons for the Jets. Then, last night when Elliott Friedman quoted a Leafs source that Carlyle is safe, i think their patience ran out and made the move. I'm with d4rksabre, i was never high on Noel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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