Sabres lack elite players

[freester]

What is even more telling is that we don't have any of the top 40 centers in the league. There is no way we can be a contender with that ability at center. It doesn't matter who the coach is, you need talent.

[dudacek]

Two words: Zach Parise

[TheChimp]

I'm sad. I have no testes to give. :cry:

But...you have a boyfriend, right? Check your purse. :D

 

And anyway, I don;t trust the list and I don't think we should build a team that way. Forgive me, I just watched Moneyball.

[Neo]

I, too, would give a testicle for the right deal:

 

1. They would be attractive to a buyer.

2. They have produced and developed:

a. One LW; 6'2", 220 lbs.; HS Captain; AA State Champion; over 400 games played;

b. One D; 6'3", 195 lbs.; HS Captain, MVP; AA State Champion, Captain; over 400 games played.

3. They are no longer in player development mode, and have value only in trade scenarios;

4. Purely ornamental;

5. Price would be steep-they support my MVP and are a fan favorite.

[fan2456]

Love to see Vanek this low in NHL rankings and below much better Sabres. And this is from objective observers outside this oranization. He is a great 2nd or 3rd line winger and power play specialist. And a great one if you can afford him AND the league calls penalties. I don't think this warrants 6-7 million /yr. You know, Crosby/Meklin $. His skating keeps him off EVERY number one line in this league and any PK. Move him, Leo( a really soft player), Roy and Gerbe for picks or another power forward. Keep him if he will renegotiate for a # comensurate with his ability. Yea, Faligno could replace Kassian. Am I the only dumb f*** who thought we could use two players who were able to play down low? And get a new defensive coach at the NHL level. I just see our young d regress with the big club. Meyers at 6-7, plays the stick check game of Patrick and Leo. Hodgson? Can he skate at the elite level? UGH.

[BuffaloSoldier2010]

Fixed.

 

:blush:

I looked at this this afternoon, didn't get it, came back 10 hours later, and it hits me.

 

Good Shtuff.

[Robviously]

Love to see Vanek this low in NHL rankings and below much better Sabres. And this is from objective observers outside this oranization. He is a great 2nd or 3rd line winger and power play specialist. And a great one if you can afford him AND the league calls penalties. I don't think this warrants 6-7 million /yr. You know, Crosby/Meklin $. His skating keeps him off EVERY number one line in this league and any PK. Move him, Leo( a really soft player), Roy and Gerbe for picks or another power forward. Keep him if he will renegotiate for a # comensurate with his ability. Yea, Faligno could replace Kassian. Am I the only dumb f*** who thought we could use two players who were able to play down low? And get a new defensive coach at the NHL level. I just see our young d regress with the big club. Meyers at 6-7, plays the stick check game of Patrick and Leo. Hodgson? Can he skate at the elite level? UGH.

"Love" to see it? Why?

 

Question about the "objective observers" outside the organization: How many Sabres games did they actually watch? Because every time the Sabres are part of a national broadcast, I hear the "objective, outside the organization" observers make the dumbest comments about our players. These are the people we should trust to evaluate our players?

 

Also, thanks for pointing out that Vanek isn't as good as Crosby or Malkin. Because there's been a lot of confusion about that lately. :doh:

[darksabre]

I stopped reading fan's post when he called TSN "objective".

[BoldBlueandGold]

I think Sekera is the more likely of the two to be traded, anyway. He's younger, signed for 3 more years at a good price, and has developed really well in my opinion. The pressure situation thing may be true, but I'm not sure that really impacts his trade value at all, which I think is higher than Leopold's and not by a little. If we make a play for anybody like Brown or Nash or try to move up in the draft, I fully expect Sekera would be part of the package.

 

I honestly think that Sekera was one of the worst players for the team down the stretch. When he and Sulzer played together they were a complete liability. I'd have no problem moving sekera and promoting brennan/and or mcnabb

[inkman]

Meklin Faligno

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[carpandean]

Love to see Vanek this low in NHL rankings and below much better Sabres. And this is from objective observers outside this oranization.

Question about the "objective observers" outside the organization: How many Sabres games did they actually watch?

I stopped reading fan's post when he called TSN "objective".

 

Funny thing is that Cullen being "objective" or an "outside observer" has nothing to do with this ranking, because Cullen is not making any (player-specific) decisions here. The ranking is 100% statistics-based. He picked a weighting system for statistical output, then let the numbers fall where they would. If you actually asked him, as an "objective outside observer", whether Vanek (or any other player) is better or worse than some other player, I'm sure that the numbers would play some part in his answer, but he would incorporate other qualitative measures in there, too. Then, if he said that Vanek is worse, you could say that an objective outside observer thinks so, but right now, all you can say is that one statistical measure says that he was worse this year. I suppose that you could argue that the statistical measure is as objective as it gets, but it has nothing to do with Cullen's personal assessment of Vanek as a player. (Note: I don't have a problem with where Vanek is ranked, but just wanted to be clear that this is a fantasy hockey statistical rating.)

 

Keep him if he will renegotiate for a # comensurate with his ability.

 

They'd have to re-write the CBA, first, to allow for contract renegotiation.

 

:blink:

 

You missed "Meyers".

[FolignosJock]

Love to see Vanek this low in NHL rankings and below much better Sabres. And this is from objective observers outside this oranization. He is a great 2nd or 3rd line winger and power play specialist. And a great one if you can afford him AND the league calls penalties. I don't think this warrants 6-7 million /yr. You know, Crosby/Meklin $. His skating keeps him off EVERY number one line in this league and any PK. Move him, Leo( a really soft player), Roy and Gerbe for picks or another power forward. Keep him if he will renegotiate for a # comensurate with his ability. Yea, Faligno could replace Kassian. Am I the only dumb f*** who thought we could use two players who were able to play down low? And get a new defensive coach at the NHL level. I just see our young d regress with the big club. Meyers at 6-7, plays the stick check game of Patrick and Leo. Hodgson? Can he skate at the elite level? UGH.

 

 

You are an idiot, Look where Vanek is in goal scoring numbers compared to every single player in the league since he was been in the leauge. There isnt a top line in the league that he couldnt play on.

[Ross Rhea]

well the good thing is the sabres are set on the blue line and only need to concentrate on the offense.

[shrader]

Funny thing is that Cullen being "objective" or an "outside observer" has nothing to do with this ranking, because Cullen is not making any (player-specific) decisions here. The ranking is 100% statistics-based. He picked a weighting system for statistical output, then let the numbers fall where they would. If you actually asked him, as an "objective outside observer", whether Vanek (or any other player) is better or worse than some other player, I'm sure that the numbers would play some part in his answer, but he would incorporate other qualitative measures in there, too. Then, if he said that Vanek is worse, you could say that an objective outside observer thinks so, but right now, all you can say is that one statistical measure says that he was worse this year. I suppose that you could argue that the statistical measure is as objective as it gets, but it has nothing to do with Cullen's personal assessment of Vanek as a player. (Note: I don't have a problem with where Vanek is ranked, but just wanted to be clear that this is a fantasy hockey statistical rating.)

 

You forgot about the Canadian inflator term that's in his and any TSN model. And I'm not complaining about TSN when I say this. They are very good at what they do and they are the go to source for most things hockey. They just definitely favor all things Canada, which, being Canadian based, they should.

[FolignosJock]

This is also a ranking for this year.... where was vanek rated in 08-09.... we were the ninth best team in the east this year i dont expect them to be too high on any of our players

[Jsixspd]

I don't know that the team's standings affects these rankings too much. Tampa Bay was 5 points behind us, but Stamkos was still number 2 on the list.

 

I think Buffalo has only 4 or 5 players total in the top 200. Several teams have multiples in the top FIFTY.

 

A couple years ago, we could have gotten d-player Dustin Byfuglien - the #13 on the list - and he was one of the top scorers as I recall when the Blackhawks were in the playoffs. But we have Weber instead. :rolleyes:

 

This is an indictment of Regier - the highest payroll I believe in the NHL, and some of the juiciest (and stupidest) contracts around, yet not one player even hits the top 50. Clearly it is Regier who is in charge of building talent on the team, and is responsible for either having it, or not having it. He's been GM so many years, he can't pass the buck or blame it on anyone else except himself.

 

But despite this, some members of this forum, seem to want to excuse Regier for all this failure because of one decent trade (Hodgson and Sulzer) It's gonna take a LOT more than one good trade a year to change this vacuum of real nationally recognized talent.

 

How many generations/decades does Terry Pegula think Regier should be granted at the helm to get it done? Pegula needs to stop being a fanboy, stop clapping his hands and going "Rah rah Darcy, Rah Rah Lindy!!!!!" , stop taking the two of them out for ice-cream sundaes and sodas after every game, and start being a take-charge owner that wants to win - deeds need to match the words and the intent.

[spndnchz]

I don't know that the team's standings affects these rankings too much. Tampa Bay was 5 points behind us, but Stamkos was still number 2 on the list.

 

I think Buffalo has only 4 or 5 players total in the top 200. Several teams have multiples in the top FIFTY.

 

A couple years ago, we could have gotten d-player Dustin Byfuglien - the #13 on the list - and he was one of the top scorers as I recall when the Blackhawks were in the playoffs. But we have Weber instead. :rolleyes:

 

This is an indictment of Regier - the highest payroll I believe in the NHL, and some of the juiciest (and stupidest) contracts around, yet not one player even hits the top 50. Clearly it is Regier who is in charge of building talent on the team, and is responsible for either having it, or not having it. He's been GM so many years, he can't pass the buck or blame it on anyone else except himself.

 

But despite this, some members of this forum, seem to want to excuse Regier for all this failure because of one decent trade (Hodgson and Sulzer) It's gonna take a LOT more than one good trade a year to change this vacuum of real nationally recognized talent.

 

How many generations/decades does Terry Pegula think Regier should be granted at the helm to get it done? Pegula needs to stop being a fanboy, stop clapping his hands and going "Rah rah Darcy, Rah Rah Lindy!!!!!" , stop taking the two of them out for ice-cream sundaes and sodas after every game, and start being a take-charge owner that wants to win - deeds need to match the words and the intent.

 

Pics or it didn't happen.

[Jsixspd]

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