deluca67 Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Decided to break down Lindy's record based on the goalies. With Hasek/Miller 281 wins - 216 loses - 38 ties All other goalies 170 wins - 219 loses - 40 ties I think this shows why Lindy runs Miller into the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Decided to break down Lindy's record based on the goalies. With Hasek/Miller 281 wins - 216 loses - 38 ties All other goalies 170 wins - 219 loses - 40 ties I think this shows why Lindy runs Miller into the ground. Just for laughs. Whats his record with Lalime ? Or for that matter with backups in general ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad1 Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Just for laughs. Whats his record with Lalime ? Or for that matter with backups in general ? Lalime has won 9 of his 46 starts with the Sabres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patty16 Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Decided to break down Lindy's record based on the goalies. With Hasek/Miller 281 wins - 216 loses - 38 ties All other goalies 170 wins - 219 loses - 40 ties I think this shows why Lindy runs Miller into the ground. kinda like most teams do when they have a bona fide #1 goalie. eg Devils, canucks, flames, This teams struggles have little to do with goaltending, if you watched last nights game it should be clear as day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted January 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 kinda like most teams do when they have a bona fide #1 goalie. eg Devils, canucks, flames, This teams struggles have little to do with goaltending, if you watched last nights game it should be clear as day. Way to miss the point. We have a coach/front office with a reputation based on the work of Hasek and Miller. Even with those goalies Status Quo only makes the playoffs about half of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Lalime has won 9 of his 46 starts with the Sabres. Which is what I would expect from someone who plays once a month, at most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R_Dudley Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 With as much as keeps being said by the players and coach about "The system", you would think he would have a system for goalies which includes rotation. I don't care if you are a competitive player who always wants to be on the ice, as coach I am going to set a plan and rotation that you and the team know about ahead of time that allows for rests/breaks for the number 1 when I think the schedule dictates and that also keeps my backup in the flow. I probably even rotate a couple of my other players from press box in and out around that rotation as well. Then the rest of the team needs to be held accountable for even a more disciplined approach when you know you are playing your backup and his GAA is higher and sv% lower. I think that way you can also help keep the team from falling prey to the trap your number one is always there to bail you out and produce a better rounded effort out of all of them game in and game out. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvelo Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Lalime has won 9 of his 46 starts with the Sabres. he should just retire in shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 he should just retire in shame. Lalime is not the problem, lindy is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Way to miss the point. We have a coach/front office with a reputation based on the work of Hasek and Miller. Even with those goalies Status Quo only makes the playoffs about half of the time. Actually he didn't miss the point. Check most coaches records without their star players. Hell, look at Lombardi's record with the Redskins, Belichek before Brady fell into his lap, ect. etc. All that being said, I am tired of this whole team, coaches, gm, players.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted January 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Actually he didn't miss the point. Check most coaches records without their star players. Hell, look at Lombardi's record with the Redskins, Belichek before Brady fell into his lap, ect. etc. All that being said, I am tired of this whole team, coaches, gm, players.... The Packers and Patriots both surrounded their "Star Players" with quality players which led to the Championships. The Sabres don't do that. The Sabres act as if they have a belief that if you have a quality goaltender the roster you put in front of them doesn't matter. It's what they did in the Hasek era and is why last off-season was such a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patty16 Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Way to miss the point. We have a coach/front office with a reputation based on the work of Hasek and Miller. Even with those goalies Status Quo only makes the playoffs about half of the time. Nah didnt miss your point. Youre saying Ruff is only successful bc he has had great goaltending. Thats such an oversimplification; he's had Miller and Hasek yes. But a good goalie isnt enough to have success is it? You have to have the other pieces dont you? Have you ever wondered why Lindy and Regier are so respected league wide? yes even regier is. Is it because so many hockey people dont see the simple point that these guys blow but are overshadowed by great goalies?? cmon man. They are respected bc they know what they are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 The Packers and Patriots both surrounded their "Star Players" with quality players which led to the Championships. The Sabres don't do that. The Sabres act as if they have a belief that if you have a quality goaltender the roster you put in front of them doesn't matter. It's what they did in the Hasek era and is why last off-season was such a disaster. Thanks for making my point and blowing up your own thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patty16 Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Thanks for making my point and blowing up your own thread. haha i know right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Thanks for making my point and blowing up your own thread. pwned zing and badabing in 12 words or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Nah didnt miss your point. Youre saying Ruff is only successful bc he has had great goaltending. Thats such an oversimplification; he's had Miller and Hasek yes. But a good goalie isnt enough to have success is it? You have to have the other pieces dont you? Have you ever wondered why Lindy and Regier are so respected league wide? yes even regier is. Is it because so many hockey people dont see the simple point that these guys blow but are overshadowed by great goalies?? cmon man. They are respected bc they know what they are doing. They are respected because they know what they are doing? I guess thats why they make the playoffs year after year as well ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted January 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Nah didnt miss your point. Youre saying Ruff is only successful bc he has had great goaltending. Thats such an oversimplification; he's had Miller and Hasek yes. But a good goalie isnt enough to have success is it? You have to have the other pieces dont you? Have you ever wondered why Lindy and Regier are so respected league wide? yes even regier is. Is it because so many hockey people dont see the simple point that these guys blow but are overshadowed by great goalies?? cmon man. They are respected bc they know what they are doing. Ruff is living proof you can be considered "successful" by simply riding good goal-tending. If you have a good goalie and you build around him you can have ultimate success. So much success it doesn't matter who the coach is. The Devils have three Stanley Cups. Same goalie, three different coaches. To answer your question. No, I never wondered why Ruff and Regier are respected league wide. The main reason is I don't how true that is. I can't imagine people that pay any attention to this team and watch how often that are completely unprepared to play a game would consider Ruff and Regier in that high of regard. If the Sabres miss the playoffs this season that would would mean that half of the times this franchise has failed to qualify for the playoffs happened during Ruff's and Regier's time here in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Ruff is living proof you can be considered "successful" by simply riding good goal-tending. If you have a good goalie and you build around him you can have ultimate success. So much success it doesn't matter who the coach is. The Devils have three Stanley Cups. Same goalie, three different coaches. To answer your question. No, I never wondered why Ruff and Regier are respected league wide. The main reason is I don't how true that is. I can't imagine people that pay any attention to this team and watch how often that are completely unprepared to play a game would consider Ruff and Regier in that high of regard. If the Sabres miss the playoffs this season that would would mean that half of the times this franchise has failed to qualify for the playoffs happened during Ruff's and Regier's time here in Buffalo. Don't mean to pick at you, but it would still be 7 to the good, 6 to the bad and even in the new math that comes out to more than half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted January 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Don't mean to pick at you, but it would still be 7 to the good, 6 to the bad and even in the new math that comes out to more than half. All-time TW. Prior to Ruff/Regier the Sabres as a franchise only missed the playoffs 6 times. This will be Ruff/Regier's 6th time in 13 seasons. 6 out of 9 in the post Hasek era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 All-time TW. Prior to Ruff/Regier the Sabres as a franchise only missed the playoffs 6 times. This will be Ruff/Regier's 6th time in 13 seasons. 6 out of 9 in the post Hasek era. Stand corrected but I am not a fan of comparng eras. There are a multitude of factors that weigh into those results. Comitted, stable ownership being just one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted January 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Stand corrected but I am not a fan of comparng eras. There are a multitude of factors that weigh into those results. Comitted, stable ownership being just one. Each era brings it's own set of challenges. It doesn't take away from this management team being on the verge of a missing the playoffs for the 6th time in 9 years. Let's keep it to the 3 times in six years post lockout. Ownership has been stable and this team has spend at the Cap or pretty close to it every year. Ownership is not an excuse that can be used over the past six years. What have we seen over the past six years? Mismanagement from Regier on contracts and free agents. We have also seen Ruff mishandle the backup goal-tending and have seen Ruff's inability to get this team ready to play on a consistent basis. We have also seen this franchise's inability to develop those players with talent they stumble upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Actually he didn't miss the point. Check most coaches records without their star players. Hell, look at Lombardi's record with the Redskins, Belichek before Brady fell into his lap, ect. etc. All that being said, I am tired of this whole team, coaches, gm, players.... :worthy: :worthy: :worthy: All-time TW. Prior to Ruff/Regier the Sabres as a franchise only missed the playoffs 6 times. This will be Ruff/Regier's 6th time in 13 seasons. 6 out of 9 in the post Hasek era. And for how many years prior to Ruff/Regier making the scene were there more than 1/3 of the teams missing the playoffs? (In several of those years less than 25% of the leagues' teams missed the playoffs and only 20% of the Sabres' division missed them.) Vs. today, when ~47% of teams miss the playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 The Sabres are averaging 1.5 goals per game in Lalime's starts this season. Just sayin'................... In fact, since last February the team has only scored more than 2 goals TWICE when Lalime started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kishoph Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 I wouldn't say that LINDY has been "successful", If the team misses the playoffs this year, that will be six times in twelve years missing the playoffs, I wouldn't call that successful. The guy's a scrub and has held this team down for too many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted January 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 :worthy: :worthy: :worthy: And for how many years prior to Ruff/Regier making the scene were there more than 1/3 of the teams missing the playoffs? (In several of those years less than 25% of the leagues' teams missed the playoffs and only 20% of the Sabres' division missed them.) Vs. today, when ~47% of teams miss the playoffs? I guess it's all in the way you look at it. The number of teams that make the playoffs hasn't changed. Being in the top eight of a 15 team conference isn't a lofty goal. For this team to fail to achieve such a simple goal 3 out 6 seasons post lockout and 6 out 9 post Hasek is inexcusable. The NHL could expand the league again and raise the percentage of teams that don't make the playoffs. It doesn't excuse the poor job this management team/coaching staff has done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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